Saskatchewanians Most Willing To Join U.S.

Posted on Friday, March 05 at 15:39 by sthompson
Might some minds have been changed since then as Bush's popularity plummets? Maybe--but then again the sponsorship scandal isn't exactly increasing trust in government.

Obviously western alienation is an important issue for Vive to cover.

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Saskatchewanians most willing to join U.S.

By Dennis Bueckert -- The Canadian Press OTTAWA - The federal government was warned in late 2002 that Western Canadian alienation had reached disturbing levels just after Canada ratified the Kyoto environmental protocol, with almost one-quarter of Saskatchewan residents polled saying they wouldn't care if they joined the United States.

Research done 14 months ago by the Ekos polling firm, obtained by The Canadian Press under the Access to Information law, doesn't blame alienation on the Kyoto issue.

Ekos points instead to a sense among residents in almost all provinces that their interests and values are ignored in Ottawa.

''On the whole, western disaffection is a real issue which is somewhat inflamed, particularly in Alberta and Saskatchewan,'' said an analysis accompanying the poll.

Twenty-three per cent of Saskatchewanians said they would not be too concerned if their province joined the United States - more than in Alberta or Quebec, where 19 per cent in both those provinces expressed that view.

The poll found majority support for the climate treaty in all provinces except Alberta, where 50 per cent of respondents opposed the accord, compared with 41 per cent who supported it.

The poll may help explain why Prime Minister Paul Martin has made western concerns a key priority while moving cautiously on the Kyoto file. Although he criticized predecessor Jean Chrétien for lacking an implementation plan, Martin himself has not introduced one.

The sense of belonging to Canada among westerners has dropped sharply in the past decade, the Ekos study found.

As recently as 1995, between 94 and 97 per cent of those surveyed in the four western provinces voiced a strong sense of belonging to Canada.

That had declined to between 82 and 86 per cent at the time the Ekos poll was taken in December 2002.

The Ekos analysis said the federal government was left with ''a new and daunting'' national unity challenge: ''To address an additional layer of disaffection in the West which is rooted in a perception of both values and interest neglect.

''The potential for a widening of this Western disenchantment is ... a serious concern (although) the evidence suggests it is more a possibility than a likelihood.''

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  1. Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:05 am
    I\'m not sure I fully understand why sentiments like this are growing in the province I grew up in. While Saskatchewan is largely ignored on the national scene, those that look south should also see that the states neighbouring Saskatchewan are at least as ignored by Washington.

  2. Sat Mar 06, 2004 2:03 am
    Saskatchewan also has such a strong history of grassroots involvement with government.

    I also find this puzzling. I\'d be curious to see the actual poll questions and results, just to be sure there\'s no distortion.

  3. Sat Mar 06, 2004 6:26 am
    The western provinces don\'t have the population base to attract Ottawa\'s interest. Let\'s face it, Ontario and Quebec have already determined the results of national elections by the time it hits Manitoba.

    That is a serious point of frustration. I am on your side. It is wrong that one part of the country dictates to the rest of the country.

    I belong to Fair Vote Canada, and they are for proportional representation.

    I disagree with some of their positions on just how that should be implemented.

    Further, I would like to see each province have the same weight in a federal election, but that would require an amendment to the constitution, which is taboo to most politicians.

    If each province had the same weight, the elections would represent all provinces on an equal basis. The fact that population drives the election means that will never happen.

    If we take a look at the states that are close to our borders, remember this:

    the governors are jealous of the power our provincial premiers have in comparison to their power within the US administration. That speaks volumes about joining the US. Who in their right mind would want that ?

    Ralph Klein would be reduced to a governor, with no say in the way his (state) would be handled. I don\'t think he has ever thought his idea through. For sure, he wouldn\'t want to give up the power he has at present.

    So, what\'s the big deal ?? Joining the US is the most regrettable thing we could ever do, even from the politician\'s point of view.

    All we have to do now is convince them.

    It won\'t be easy, the Corporations have too much influence in Ottawa. That is a problem.



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  4. Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:06 am
    I have seen other articles about how Saskatchewan is growing, finding new ways to attract people back to the province...I am sick to death of polls...they are so biased and really represent nothing but the answer the pollsters want...the questions are set up to get the answer they want!

  5. by N Say
    Sat Mar 06, 2004 8:14 am
    It\'s bilateralism (like NAFTA/FTA) with the USA that has caused this!! Because of that, resources etc from the west go straight south of the border, rather than to the Canadian industrial heartland in southern Ontario/Quebec. That\'s why the West seems unimportant to Ottawa. That\'s why Winnipeg has been in decline as a major city. Things always had to go through Winnipeg & Thunder Bay, with their huge rail platforms & grain elevators, but now they don\'t matter because everything just goes directly south, rather than east.

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  6. Sat Mar 06, 2004 10:19 am
    A significant percentage of Saskatchewan\'s agricultural production is exported to the US. By virtue of being outside the US, bureaucratic overhead is that much greater. Nevermind that Ottawa doesn\'t seem anywhere near so aggressive on trade disputes that don\'t affect Ontario or Quebec.

    Don\'t you remember the Canadian Wheat Board protests of one or two summers ago? Or the borders being closed to beed exports quite recently? I definitely saw an interview or two in the associated coverage where farmers and ranchers said things like, \"Obviously, if we were American, we wouldn\'t be having any of this trouble\".

    What has Canada done for Saskatchewan lately?

  7. Sat Mar 06, 2004 1:53 pm
    Anon,

    I think if any farmer understands trade and wheat it would be David Orchard who I may add is from Saskatchewan. I think he understands the problem more then any current new conservative party member.

    Read \"The Fight For Canada\" where all sections of FTA is explained. You will even read about the Saskatchewan trade with the U.S.

    Kevin Gagnon
    www.kevingagnon.ca

  8. by glip
    Sat Mar 06, 2004 3:02 pm
    That's no surprise, considering we have people <a href="http://www.unitednorthamerica.org/">like this</a> promoting the supposed economic benefits of such unions.

  9. Sat Mar 06, 2004 4:51 pm
    Did you hear what Mel Hurtig said in the video? Republicans would never give us the right to vote them out of office, rather they would like to keep us as a poor colony and get our natural resources.

  10. Sat Mar 06, 2004 7:44 pm
    Oh God, I\'m ashamed. That guy is from Winnipeg. What a disgusting site. I swear if the day comes, I will take up arms, take to the streets and kill off the US invaders and their Vichy government.

  11. Sat Mar 06, 2004 9:43 pm
    You tell em\', anon!

  12. Sun Mar 07, 2004 7:54 pm
    Only in Canada I guess a province would be able to even think of such a move.

    I have heard often that Provinces in Canada have more power politically then what States have in the U.S. If that's the case I would like to see the polls for what states are most likely to want to join Canada.

    I bet there would be a surprise at the white house if that poll was conducted. How many States close to the Canadian border would love to join Canada? Its a good question. I think that there would be one or two states if not more that would have public opinion supporting such a move.

    Then again that's just my own personal opinion ;-)

    Kevin Gagnon
    www.kevingagnon.ca

  13. by N Say
    Sun Mar 07, 2004 8:47 pm
    can we democrats be your next province?
    http://www.globeandmail.ca/servlet/Arti ... TopStories

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