Canada Mulls Tariffs Over Lumber Spat, Emerson Says

Posted on Thursday, August 25 at 09:50 by jensonj
The threat of retaliatory tariffs is the latest escalation in the four-year dispute over the $7.5 billion of softwood lumber Canada exports annually to its largest trading partner. The U.S. claims Canadian provinces give sawmills an unfair subsidy by not charging market rates to harvest timber on government land, and imposed tariffs in 2002. Canada, which in February asked the World Trade Organization for permission to tag U.S. imports with retaliatory duties, expects a ruling from the trade organization by ``mid-2006,'' said Jacqueline Larocque, a spokeswoman for Canadian Trade Minister Jim Peterson. An appeals panel formed under the North American Free Trade Agreement rejected U.S. legal challenges earlier this month, which Canadian officials contend requires the return of C$5 billion ($4.17 billion) of tariffs charged on lumber exports by companies such as Canfor, Canada's biggest lumber maker, and Tembec Inc., Canada's biggest pulp producer. `Strong Reaction' ``The industry clearly wants to see a strong reaction,'' said Andrew Casey, vice president of government relations and communications for the Forest Products Association of Canada in Ottawa. ``It's gotten to the point where the entire trading relationship between the two countries is at risk.'' Tembec and Canfor are association members. Canada called off negotiations that were scheduled for Aug. 22 in Ottawa after the U.S. said it would ignore the panel's ruling. U.S. officials have said they want a negotiated settlement to the dispute. The U.S. industry said any retaliation is a long way off, and dismissed Emerson's comments today as ``saber rattling.'' ``No such retaliation has been authorized, and I don't see how it could be anytime soon,'' said Harry Clark, a lawyer for the U.S. lumber industry, the Coalition for Fair Lumber Imports. ``It will be months at the earliest,'' before the WTO could approve Canada's petitions to apply tariffs, Clark said. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000082&sid=aaBdi8lXfKwI&refer=canada

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  1. Thu Aug 25, 2005 6:02 pm
    So we're seeing the "repercussions" (as threatened by ex-ambassador Paul Cellucci).....

    I suppose stealing from Canadians is far better than being bombed. If anything , it should certainly serve as a wakeup call to Canadians that we are alone. That if we needed help from the United States , it would not come without a price.

    Personally , I see no point in counter tariffs. If the Americans are willing to steal the 5 billion dollars , then they are fully capable and willing to take 5 billion more. Or 10 billion. Or 50 billion. They simply don't care.

    We are at the mercy of the world's most powerful nation (in terms of weapons and cash)....

    We continue to trade with them. We don't have a choice. But at the same time , we need to expand our market much faster than we're doing at the moment.

    If we don't , simply put , we're screwed.

  2. Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:12 pm
    Just listening to the better than a governmnet spokesman, Rutherford with his guest from the Fraser Institute, telling us how Tariffs are not really the answer, and that our softwood is subsidized and the answer is to privatize our crown land. What a great idea, that is exactly what the U.S. is trying to get us to do, Crown land is our land, put it into the hands of private companies, then the multi-nationals can come in and buy it up! The funny thing is the guy says, any country that isn't communist would do this, but yet if you look back at Stalin's plan it was the dream of corporate ownership of all public land and corporate farms, etc. So what dream are these guys really following, call it what you want but it is very misleading?

    Neither of these guys can figure out abrogate NAFTA, end of problem! But of course it is the solution to the long term plan to destroy Canada.

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  3. Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:29 pm
    Canada simply gives away timber rights to lumber companies, but in the States a lumber company has to bid for the right to cut timber, which raises a lot of cash for those States. Rightfully so because the people should benefit from the timber, instead of just politicians and unions like here in Canada. Giving away our resources is not a direct export subsidy, but it amounts to the same thing.

  4. Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:31 pm
    We charge "stumpage fees". Last I checked there were thousands of Canadians benefitting from the lumber industry, so I don't think we were giving away anything, the provinces, the people and the feds all benefit. Just because our way is not the US way is no reason to say we are wrong. The US wants us to adopt a different method to "level the playing field". Whatever. They are protecting their own timber industry that can't compete with ours and they are protecting the price gouging that their system instills on their own industry. Their bidding system results in inflated prices. Ours results in standard prices that we are plenty happy with, and lumber that people can afford. We don't subsidize the industry, and 23 of 28 NAFTA and WTO challenges have agreed with our reasoning. If the US wants a change, maybe they should consider stumpage fees. Oh, wait... that may result in less $$ for the states... tough. Build your industry, but don't hide behind false arguements when you can't compete.

  5. Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:24 am
    Only the American way is acceptable to them. Of course had we applied the same method as them, they still would have found ways to apply their duty. Let's face it, we will always be taken advantage of. I complain when politicans go abroad to get more business from other countries. I for one am learning an important lesson. We are not very good businessmen and dealing with the sharks of the industry. We need better trading partners but we also need to be a shark.

  6. Fri Aug 26, 2005 4:29 am
    Good point. Americans will do what they want to. Where does a 300# Canary sit! We have to find someone more willing to buy our product. Wouldn't it be eerie if Canada actualy manufactured from the abundant raw materials it has. Unthinkable!

  7. Fri Aug 26, 2005 5:30 am
    We could start by invoking Article 1905 in the NAFTA treaty to eliminate preferential treatment for the United States when it comes to our energy resources. Currently, NAFTA guarantees the U.S. the lion's share of any new energy resources developed in Canada and prevents Canada from exercising any constraints over the volume or price of fuels shipped south of the border. Article 1905 is the mechanism for eliminating those preferences and reasserting our right to manage our own resources as we see fit.

  8. Fri Aug 26, 2005 9:03 am
    >>If anything , it should certainly serve as a wakeup call to Canadians that we are alone. That if we needed help from the United States , it would not come without a price.<<

    Now you know how we feel when we look north.

  9. Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:38 pm
    Free Trade Terrorism:

    The unlawful use or threatened use of protective customs tariffs, duties and quotas thus wrecking targeted industries from beening competitive, force or violence by a free trade nation against another free trade nation with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons instead of as a means to defend against trade infractions. Usually applied against the free trade nation with the least means to defend itself.


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  10. Sun Aug 28, 2005 4:25 pm
    Privatize our crown land??? I missed that one! I think it's about time someone starts "The Vive Institute" to counter-act all the "Sell-Out Canada" garbage the Fraser Institute puts out in the MSM. The real Canadian think tanks are here (IMHO), it's time the MSM sees what's on Vive. We should bombard them with e-mails of great articles and comments on this site. :)



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