US 'soldiers Of Conscience' Take Sixties Route To Canada

They weren't drafted, they volunteered for service, it's a big difference. They surely weren't stupid enough to volunteer thinking they could pick and choose what ever they felt like doing, any fool who has seen 'Private Benjamin' or any other silly movie knows that much. They swore an oath and have failed to keep their word, why would anyone want these guys in Canada?

Ahhh basing your morality on Hollywood movies! What a great role model! So when the aliens attack, all we have to do is email them a virus!<p> They volunteered to defend their country. They don't see the War on Islam as 'defending' anyone. Should they not object? What does that say about your views on free speech if you said no?<p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

Dr. Caleb right on! To anon, swore an oath to do what? Usually that oath has something to do with defending the homeland, protecting the citizens etc...now consider what happened in Iraq...not what the news wants you to consider but just consider what you see,what you read, what was said, why they were going into Iraq, then and now what is being said.

If the admin can't even get it's story straight, why would these soldiers follow this leader in an illegal war, slaughter and basic overthrow of an entire people? To me these are exactly the people we should welcome into Canada, people who can think!

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Volunteered

The point being made is that they volunteered for one thing, and subsequently discovered it was something entirely different. If you volunteered to work in a soup kitchen but ended up stealing from the homeless, you wouldn't be very happy with the situation either.

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Jesse

What Jesse said. <p> I also wanted to add that I think I read that at least one of the soldiers volunteered because he wanted an education. In the U.S., if you volunteer you get a "free" education and for immigrants, sometimes even citizenship. So people who might not otherwise get involved with the military will do so because it's the only chance they have for a better life. <p> The result is that you see a lot of low income Americans and people of colour/immigrants in the forces. And in fact, recruiters tend to be particularly aggressive in areas where you find a lot of people in these categories. Make lovely cannon fodder. And that's a typical story in US history--it's the black kids and the poor kids on the front lines. Of course the rich kids (cough Bush cough) don't have to make the same kind of tough choices, and coincidentally enough are often the ones ordering the troops into battle. <P> So although they volunteered, just remember there were also a lot of economic forces and pressures at play that we may not understand as well here in Canada, and that goes double for a lot of the people dying right now in Iraq. <p><p>---<br>Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf <br />

In Anon's world, the soldiers behind Hitler should have not left and opposed what was going on. They should have kept on doing what they signed up for cause they they swore an oath. Forget morals, right Anon?

Kevin

Good one, Kevin! I say we welcome these brave refugees into Canada!

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Dave Ruston

That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard! One doesn't have to volunteer for the military to have a better chance at an education and/or a better life in the United States. One has to work and work hard! You can work your way to an education and you can work your way to a better life. These goals are attainable to rich, poor and anyone in between. Unlike Canada, we do have work for those willing to do it. It is when one looks for "freebies" that one gets into trouble! These soldiers are DESERTERS! not draft dodgers! They have broken the law and if Canada does not extratdite them Canada is at fault and haboring criminals. They don't give the death penalty to deserters - just a jail sentence. The right thing to do is send these cowards back! Why would Canada want to welcome people of such lowly character. I was born in Canada and immigrated to the United States at age 25 and have been in America for 30 years. I am appalled at the country that I grew up in. I used to be proud of being born Canadian now, I am ashamed. In the last thirty years, Canada has become a socialist country, its working citizens taxed to death to support those too lazy and sorry to work for a living. The "gimme programs" have bought votes for those politicians that have brought Canada to its low level of productivity and created a population so dependent on the government they cannot function with it. P.S. I am unable to sign this because I sending this message during my lunch break from my office PC and will not post my work email address... I am not afraid to id myself. Liette Utt

<p>Actually, entering the military <b>does</b> give you a better chance of an education and income, since you do not have to work for years at a low-income job to be able to afford it. The only requirements for entering the military are reasonable fitness and ability to follow orders.</p><p> Further, it's not the same job market now as it was 30 years ago. Today, it is much harder to keep a job, let alone break into a new career. Opportunities that obviously existed for you are much rarer these days. Ask any of my friends with engineering degrees who are working at superstore or equally low-paying non-engineering jobs.</p><p>---<br>Jesse <br />

Liette Utt,

Anyone opposed to the war in Afghanistan and Iraq in my opinion is not of lowly character. I am very opposed to these wars and would bring these young people into my own home to give them safe harbour. George Bush has been convicted with crimes against humanity and has no right to be giving orders to anyone let alone sending them to an illegal war. Many of the soldiers now in Iraq and Afghanistan may find themselves in prison for fighting what will be judged by everyone as an illegal war. You should be speaking out against sending these young people to their deaths or a lifetime of guilt and trama.

Where do you get that George Bush has been convicted of crimes against humanity? The lowly character comes from reneging on a commitment, not opposing the war. You don't volunteer for the military expecting to pick and choose your war. How many chances does a despot like Saddam get? The UN couldn't get him to abide by his treaties and promises. Someone had to be man enough to stand up for what is right. Thank God for a leader the likes of George Bush. However, the point is "send those cowards" back home to face their punishment like the men they ought to be. Have you heard of the boycott called by Bill O'Rielly agains France? It hurt their economy big time. Don't think that a boycott against Canada won't hurt Canadians. Ask the French about the boycott against them.

I somehow doubt that NAFTA would allow the US to carry out a boycott against one their TOP 3 trading partners. France was mainly hurt in their export of wine and other luxuries; Canada's exports to the US are mostly raw materials which businesses are not likely to go without. Given the magnitude of the exports to the US, a boycott would likely hurt the US just as much as it did Canada. Go free trade go.

I find it interesting that the US would punish France for doing the democratic thing and listening to the will of the french people. Sure it went against american policy, but France is populated by the french, not americans. For a country that preaches their virtues as the "most free" nation, the US is showing no signs of allowing other countries their own democratic freedom.

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Jesse

Go Jesse Go.