It Ain't Easy Peeing Green

Posted on Friday, November 17 at 08:58 by BC Mary
"They don't use toilet paper here, remember?" he yelled from the other side of the door. He turned it into a song: "I already told you that, but you... weren't... listeniiinnng!" "Please just give me the tissues," I pleaded. He didn't respond. "Dan?" "What?" "Get me my tissues!" "No," he said solemnly. "Use the water gun, like you're supposed to." And I heard him walk away. ... Though toilet paper was invented in China in the late 1300s, it was for emperors only, and everyone else around the globe used everything from corncobs to wool to newspaper to lace for the next five centuries. Widespread use of toilet paper didn't catch on until New York's Joseph Gayetty started selling it in 1857, with his name printed on every sheet. Now the U.S. alone uses 7.4 million tons of tissue per year -- over 20,000 sheets of toilet paper per person, according to Charmin -- and North America, which contains less than 7 percent of the world's population, consumes half the world's tissue paper products. By Greenpeace's estimates, Canada would save nearly 50,000 trees a year if every household in the country replaced just one roll of regular toilet paper with the recycled kind. ... Dan had spent his undergraduate career building and maintaining the miniature ecosystems that purify wastewater using natural processes. "I'm not saying I know exactly what we'll want to use, but composting is definitely a viable option." That's a good point, I could have said. It wasn't like we were building a house in a week. Or even in five years. http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/44202/?comments [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on November 17, 2006]

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  1. Fri Nov 17, 2006 10:41 pm
    You can make toilet paper from hemp, and no doubt from a whole lot of other far more renewable resources than trees.

  2. by RPW
    Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:29 am
    But the economics are screwed because forestry companies get government subsidies, just as oil companies get government subsidies..............and Harper definitely does NOT want to see hemp (er, marijuana) legalized.

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  3. Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:15 pm
    Toilet paper can/is made from recycled paper but the implication of "recycled toilet paper" causes consumers to shun it. I once delivered paper products for a major supplier. "Recycled paper" products were on sale but Toilet paper was a low commodity ordered by the outlets. They had trouble selling it. TP has to be fluffy, sometimes scented and bleached or dyed. It's not just the trees.

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  4. Sat Nov 18, 2006 6:54 pm
    I was brought up in an enviroment without running water and we did have an outhouse. It's probably the reason I can't conceive why the bathroom is included in the tour of the new house. Few people can have an outhouse or composting toilet. I for one, can have either but prefer not to. I have a septic field and a deep well. I use a pump in the well but contemplating a way of using rain water for flushing the toilet. People on a septic system conceive disposing waste water differently then those on a public sewer system. NO bleach in the septic tank, for one thing. Living in a rural area compels the resident to dispose of waste a lot more efficently. Living in an apartment or suburb requires more input then just the dweller.

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  5. by srfl
    Tue Nov 21, 2006 6:06 pm
    <a href="http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=37e104044bb11d19d566ac8f3621c63f">http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=37e104044bb11d19d566ac8f3621c63f</a><br />
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    At last count, Indonesia is Canada's second largest trading partner.....

  6. Wed Nov 22, 2006 12:06 am
    At last count, Indonesia is Canada's second largest trading partner.....<<

    Yes, but real pig skin is not used when making pork sausages.:)

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  7. by RPW
    Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:38 am
    From website: <blockquote> Bio-diesel fuels are helping reduce carbon emissions, but some production of the "green" energy source is contributing to rain forest destruction in Malaysia and Indonesia. </blockquote> Is this the "forked tongue" approach to green energy that our own North American politicos will subscribe to? Will politicians (who will say just about anything to get elected)subscribe to this 21st century version of the "green revolution" by promoting such things as biodiesel -- then conveniently neglect the Dark Side of Green such as oil palm plantations which do nothing but negate any benefits accruing from biodiesel?<p>---<br>Imagine there's no Heaven <br />
    It's easy if you try <br />
    No hell below us <br />
    Above us only sky <br />
    Imagine all the people <br />
    Living for today <br />

  8. Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:17 pm
    Dark Side of Green such as oil palm plantations which do nothing but negate any benefits accruing from biodiesel?<<

    The "volume" of the fuel we use is what has to be reduced. Recycled cooking oil will never meet the demand either nor will animal fats. The entire earth surface is not big enough to replace what we take from the ground. Bio-diesel won't stop extraction of fossel fuels but will cause even further problems, as your artical indicates.

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  9. by RPW
    Wed Nov 22, 2006 4:32 pm
    Quite so! But when something is being promoted through the use of lies by omission, that too must be brought to the public's attention...................

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    Imagine there's no Heaven
    It's easy if you try
    No hell below us
    Above us only sky
    Imagine all the people
    Living for today

  10. Thu Nov 23, 2006 12:04 am
    Agreed! people have a tendency to think there are cheap reliable resources to replace fossil fules. At present there isn't. Even EVs have to get their power from some place. Just because one can't see the power plant where the electricity comes from, don't mean it's green or cheap. Hydrogen takes resources to create let alone the resources to construct the vehicle and components. I live in a rain belt and can't fathom millions of vehicles contributing moisture to the atmosphere. What happens to the water expelled from a hydrogen vehicle in sub-zero weather?

    Vehicles have improved greatly over the decades but the number of them has increased as well. The consumer is convinced that they aren't polluting nor consuming as much with a "new" vehicle. Ten cars are sold for every one bought thirty years ago. It took energy to build the new car.
    Most people know there is an energy problem but very few take it to heart. The consumer is deceived easly because they don't want to face the truth. "I'll only conserve energy when I have no choice".

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