Der Spiegel: Time For Canada To Join The EU

Posted on Friday, March 04 at 10:58 by abraaten
Those difficulties were followed in the '80s and '90s by increased co-operation. But in recent years, Canada has promoted the International Criminal Court and ratified the Kyoto Protocol, putting Washington in a "huff." "Since Bush's election, both societies seem to be diverging," it adds. "It's become easier than ever for Canadians to define their identity as the opposite of that of the America of the Republicans." Ottawa long ago did away with the death penalty, it has strict gun control laws and the list of diverging societal values is growing. Now Canada wants to introduce same sex marriages, which the US has rejected. And unlike Washington, which has a zero-tolerance policy on drugs, Ottawa is planning to decriminalize small quantities of marijuana. A recent poll found that 33 percent of Canadians believe faith plays an important role in their daily lives compared to 60 percent of Americans. "Canadians believe they view the world in a more 'international' way," Handelsblatt writes, "that they believe they are more European when it comes to their views of 'social values'." http://service.spiegel.de/cache/international/0,1518,344556,00.html [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on March 4, 2005]

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  1. by N Say
    Fri Mar 04, 2005 7:37 pm
    is this a joke? canada isn't part of europe! why should we join anybody? venezuela hasn't, brazil hasn't... we should work with EVERYBODY & treat EVERYBODY as our allies.

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    "George Bush has declared the war on terrorism to be the cause of his generation. The cause of Canadian sovereignty will be ours." - John Godfrey, MP for Don Va

  2. Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:07 pm
    Our stock in the world just went up 100% by rejecting BMD. Its probably out of the question to actually join the EU, but some kind of associate status is quite possible. The EU structure though is huge and somewhat undemocratic, so we might want to think twice.

    As for the South America countries, I think they're pretty suspicious of Canada, with our insistence on imposing draconian agricultural and intellectual property policies on them via the WTO. We're just another rich northern country to them.

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    If you don't like these ideas, I've got others. --Marshall McLuhan

  3. Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:39 pm
    Greenland - Iceland - Canada. Its a long chain but it would work. But I agree, we should keep doing as we have always done - make friends with everyone. It is in our best interests in the long run.

    As America collapses in on itself out of greed, fear and stupidity, we need to find ways to survive the pain that will come with it.

  4. Fri Mar 04, 2005 8:44 pm
    Canadians are peace loving humanists. Bordering on pacifist, depending upon the province. I think this makes us odd in this neck of the woods and certainly may amuse Europeans but I wouldn't want it any other way. Some countries criticise and are angered by the unique values of our culture. We will always try to get along with our neighbours but no one should expect that we will surrender our values to please others. That is why I don't think canada will join any other country in a deep association any time soon. It's also a career-ending move for any politician who explicitly proposes such a thing.

  5. Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:04 pm
    We don't have to join the EU to start balancing our FC reserves with euros as <br />
    well as the $US. <br />
    <br />
    See:<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0303-26.htm">http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0303-26.htm</a><br />
    <br />
    "Its military has been stretched to the breaking point by the occupation of a <br />
    single weak country, Iraq. Its economy is held hostage by Himalayas of <br />
    external debt, much of it in the hands of a strategic rival, China, holder of <br />
    nearly $200 billion in Treasury bills. Its domestic debt, caused in part by the <br />
    war expenditures, also towers to the skies."<br />
    <br />
    and<br />
    <br />
    "No sooner had the President arrived in Europe than an economic trapdoor <br />
    seemed briefly to open beneath his feet when the South Korean Central Bank <br />
    stated that it intended to move some of its holdings from the dollar to other <br />
    currencies, causing a 174-point drop in the Dow Jones average. The next day, <br />
    the bank disavowed its report and the dollar recovered, but not before the <br />
    fragility of America's economic position in the world had been revealed."<br />
    <br />
    On the balance sheet (financial only!) each and every American is in hock for a <br />
    couple hundred K to the rest of the world. Canadians, I'm told, are net-worth <br />
    something. If you run a relatively small organization, and the customer with <br />
    whom you do 80% of your business is dealing itself into bankruptcy, what do <br />
    you do? I don't care how far to the "right" you are--in fact, the further the <br />
    better if you're the fiscal sort of conservative--keeping all our eggs in the <br />
    "continentalist" basket at this point is just plain stupid. <br />
    <br />
    There are no doubt a few nations wondering if the time isn't right to think <br />
    seriously about the petroeuro. If that happens, look out.

  6. Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:04 pm
    I agree we shouldn't join the EU--which isn't popular, but I don't think all Canadians are pacifist.

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    The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

    - Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

  7. Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:08 pm
    la guyane - south america

    two little islands off the shores of NFLD

    The EU doesn't have to be in continential europe

  8. by em
    Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:26 pm
    If you accept that the American economy is
    about to tank and possibly drag Canada's down with
    it, it makes sense that Canada should do everything
    possible to extricate itself from its heavy reliance
    on the U.S. to absorb its exports. Closer ties with
    the EU would help lessen the economic fallout.
    But joining the EU - I don't think Canadians should or
    would go for it.

    .

  9. Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:41 pm
    I agree with the idea of adopting the EU, however, economically that is not possible to do. To do this, it would take many years. They would have to start changing trade slowly.

    On the other hand I wish for Canada to survive as a independent nation.

    Kevin

  10. Fri Mar 04, 2005 11:50 pm
    The end of oil will also be the end of globalization. It is coming sooner than most think. Unless America invades us to get our last reserves - we will survive as an independant nation after the worldwide depression.

  11. Sat Mar 05, 2005 12:49 am
    Kevin, why join the EU? Average Europeans hate the EU.

  12. Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:00 am
    For Canada to join EU could mean economic suicide. I presume the EU has been formed in most part to challenge US economy
    I don't think we want US economy challenged as we would be challenging ourselves. We go the way the US economy goes.
    I can picture voting with EU on some sanction and Canada probably go along as we join everything. This would cause us major problems. Putting 85% of trade at risk to gain 10 or 15% doesn't seem helpful. Besides with our close ties to America I doubt on many issues the EU would trust us.
    Does this make any sense at all to anybody or just to me?

  13. by avatar nutter
    Sat Mar 05, 2005 1:06 am
    Can any political story from Der Spiegel be trusted? I think not. Deception is the rule of the day. <br />
    <br />
    Have a look at what a der spiegel did to bribe Palestinean's into 'celebrating' WTC 9/11.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://members.tripod.com/thinkagaintv/Palestinianscelebrating.html">http://members.tripod.com/thinkagaintv/Palestinianscelebrating.html</a><br />
    <br />
    Are you going to trust anything out of the 'pusher media' these days?<br />
    <br />
    I don't<br />
    <br />
    including Der Spiegel

  14. Sat Mar 05, 2005 3:08 am
    Canada seems more interested in its ties with China, but we are a bi-coastal nation. The EU has recently stated that it aspires to be the planet's pre-eminent military superpower, which I find interesting.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12422215-2,00.html">http://www.news.com.au/story/0,10117,12422215-2,00.html</a><br />
    <br />
    When MacLean's Magazine asks whether or not America is going broke, it's time to examine your options, or at least debate them in forums like this. I'm glad it was discussion-worthy.



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