New Army Manual Omits Geneva Detainee Rule

Posted on Wednesday, June 14 at 20:00 by sthompson
For more than a year, the Pentagon has been redrawing its policies on detainees, and intends to issue a new Army Field Manual on interrogation, which, along with accompanying directives, represents core instructions to U.S. soldiers worldwide. The process has been beset by debate and controversy, and the decision to omit Geneva protections from a principal directive comes at a time of growing worldwide criticism of U.S. detention practices and the conduct of American forces in Iraq. The directive on interrogation, a senior defense official said, is being rewritten to create safeguards so that all detainees are treated humanely but can still be questioned effectively. President Bush's critics and supporters have debated whether it is possible to prove a direct link between administration declarations that it will not be bound by Geneva and events such as the abuses at Abu Ghraib or the killings of Iraqi civilians last year in Haditha, allegedly by Marines. But the exclusion of the Geneva provisions may make it more difficult for the administration to portray such incidents as aberrations. And it undercuts contentions that U.S. forces follow the strictest, most broadly accepted standards when fighting wars. "The rest of the world is completely convinced that we are busy torturing people," said Oona A. Hathaway, an expert in international law at Yale Law School. "Whether that is true or not, the fact we keep refusing to provide these protections in our formal directives puts a lot of fuel on the fire."... Full article: http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/la-na-torture5jun05,1,1143219.story?ctrack=1&cset=true [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on June 15, 2006]

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  1. Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:13 am
    What do we expect from a nation that has no respect for international law? Even the bloody Nazis acknowledged the Geneva Convention. What does that say about the current US administration?

  2. Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:03 am
    The nazis acknowledged the Convention on the Western front. On the Russian front neither side signed, or recognized it, resulting in the death of millions of POWs from both sides.

    We found our sister machinegun squad with their throats slashed in the woods of Poland and we always carried a handgrenade, for a fast cure in case we were wounded, as we knew there won't be any mercy.

    Luckily, we never captured any Russians, as we were always running away, but some of our old soldiers would have killed any POWs on the spot.

    There was no picking up of the wounded trapped between the lines under a Red Cross flag, as it was done on the West, and they either froze to death, or were shot from both sides.

    Ed Deak.

  3. by Deacon
    Thu Jun 15, 2006 7:50 am
    There are rules of war for a reason.

    Too bad the boys in BushCo seem to think they're above all law everywhere.

    Congratulations George W, your place in Hell is now assured.

    ---
    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  4. Thu Jun 15, 2006 10:55 pm
    <blockquote>Oona A. Hathaway, an expert in international law at Yale Law School. "Whether that is true or not, the fact we keep refusing to provide these protections in our formal directives puts a lot of fuel on the fire."...</blockquote> <br><br> Whether that is true or not? <a href="http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2004/04/30/16790301.php">Oona, please take a look at these pictures!</a>

  5. Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:18 pm
    You'd be correct if you wonder whether I'm going off-topic; but I feel my
    suggestion (below) is squarely in line with Vive's basic mandate.

    When this story is headlined "New Army Manual ..." it is necessary for
    assumptions to be made by the readers, before it makes sense. The
    conscientious reader is left with work to do -- with options -- all of
    them unsettling.

    Do we as Canadians accept that any army news means somebody else's
    army, not ours? If so, such an acceptance weakens our understanding of
    ourselves.

    Or do we assume that the Canadian Armed Forces has changed its rules
    of engagement? Because whatever the U.S. Army does, the Canadian
    Armed Forces are locked into, as well? If so, that subtle, relentless
    inference that Canada doesn't count is a giant step forward on the road
    to Deep Integration.

    I feel certain that you don't intend that.

    So wouldn't it be better to make a clear distinction? E.g., headline this
    kind of story with "New U.S. Army Manual ..."

  6. Sun Jun 18, 2006 2:39 am
    Some people see it as their duty to speak for the Nazis although they they don't appear to know the scope of Nazi autrocities. It is disturbing that this is allowed to fester when we have 24 hour news channels and the internet at our fingertips. Did they behave so civilized against the French resistance or Yugoslav or Greek or countless more partisans that must be liars since they claim they were brutalized and brutalized badly. Why did such civil Nazis need gas chambers and ovens? Did they treat non-uniformed combatants the same as ordinary soldiers or are you whistling into your hat.

    Do you want to give terrorists a pass since they are not covered by the Geneva Detainees Law( whatever that is) and they're not covered by the Geneva Conventions perhaps because there's no such animal as a detainee law anywhere but in your imagination. So the Nazis are better than the Americans. God help us.



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