Patriots Or Poseurs?

Posted on Saturday, January 07 at 09:09 by jensonj
Fogal says Martin already hammered down what could be the final nail in the coffin for Canada’s sovereignty when he signed last March along with U.S. president George Bush and Mexico’s president Vincete Fox, the Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America. The wide-reaching and somewhat vague agreement is set to streamline the three countries’ security and economic strategies. The pact takes the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) a step further by integrating North America’s intelligence gathering, border security, energy supplies, economic conditions and health regulations. Fogal says the deal will firmly replace national governance with corporate rule; indeed, the agreement was well received by the Canadian Council of Chief Executives, which had been promoting a similar pact, the North American Security and Prosperity Initiative, since 2003. “It is a very big issue, and if people really knew what was going on, they would rebel,” says Fogal, “because Canada as we know it is going to disappear.” http://www.westender.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=49&cat=23&id=567205&more=

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  1. Sat Jan 07, 2006 6:41 pm
    Granted, it's too late to perpetuate the fallacy that a real country called canada exists. It leads to the question: What will the various parts of the region become? Will they be new nations, like Quebec? Or will they simply become American Territories?

  2. Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:00 pm
    Paul Martin is a patriot of Barbados, or Liberia, or some other flag of convenience he proudly flew in order to avoid paying his taxes to Canada - how dare anyone question his loyalty to Panama or Cameroon. Martin knows that only suckers pay their taxes to Canada and he ain't no sucker - that's why he wrote laws so he could evade Canadian tax. Spending the suckers money is no problem by him however - he even hands it out to his friends!

  3. Sat Jan 07, 2006 10:47 pm
    soo much is said in that sad little phrase. is that the only kind of political and diplomatic pose canada is a capable of?

    sad.

  4. Sun Jan 08, 2006 3:24 am
    >>>both Liberal leader Paul Martin and Conservative leader Stephen Harper have gone out of their way to stand up to the United States administration. But for some national advocates, the recent displays of public patriotism<<<<

    Right there, in black and white, example number 1 billion of a Canadian defining “patriotism” as being against the Unites States….

    I guess that isn’t enough for Connie… Don’t worry Connie, (you half-witted demagogue) we will probably be at each others throats soon enough.

  5. Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:58 am
    you taking peyote again??? What colour is the sky tonight.

  6. Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:17 pm
    How about in November Harper was asked if he loved canada, and then he dodged the question. Classy guy.

  7. by avatar Jesse
    Mon Jan 09, 2006 11:37 pm
    You see only what you want to see. If the United States is not upholding its trade agreements, then they should damned well be stood up to. Canadian patriotism only seems like anti-americanism to those who are ignorant of the USA's illegal behaviour. Canada tried appeasing Washington, and we were left with foreign ownership, unfair trade agreements, and no military. I only wish that more backbone was shown by our politicians outside of election season.

    ---
    Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation.

  8. Tue Jan 10, 2006 6:47 am
    > Granted, it's too late to perpetuate the fallacy that a real country called canada exists. It leads to the question: What will the various parts of the region become? Will they be new nations, like Quebec? Or will they simply become American Territories?

    I'd like to see alberta, quebec, maritimes, and yukon/nw/nunavut regions become self-governing entities.

    Ont, man, sask, bc: let 'em fight it out. Merge, or isolate each other, whatever.

  9. Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:28 am
    >> You see only what you want to see.<<,

    Way to refute the point.

    >>If the United States is not upholding its trade agreements, then they should damned well be stood up to.<<<

    Sure, but 99,9% of cross-border trade goes off without a hitch which is between 83-87% of your total trade leaving a surplus in Canada of over 130 billion dollars a year. Now you have demonstrated that you have no idea what any of that means Jesse, but one aspect of it is that trade with the USA is not victimizing Canadians. Indeed, this softwood dispute, which is being hashed out in the courts is just about all you have at the moment. In addition, your government has prolonged the softwood issue so that the liberals could rail against the USA come election time. Sooner or later it will get resolved though, I wonder what the next excuse for your bigotry will be.

    >> Canadian patriotism only seems like anti-americanism to those who are ignorant of the USA's illegal behaviour.<<<

    A trade dispute is “illegal behavior”? (Sorry, “behavoioeueoior”) Trade disputes happen all the time between every country that trades. The way the USA sees it, illegally subsidizing your softwood lumber industry so you can have a bigger unfair advantage in US markets (Canada already controls a third of the US softwood market as it is) is illegal behavior. Adults don’t use this kind of thing as an excuse for bigotry.

    >> Canada tried appeasing Washington, and we were left with foreign ownership, unfair trade agreements, and no military.<<<

    Every last one of things is your own damn fault, certainly not from “appeasing Washington”. How childish to blame everything on your favorite scapegoat.

    >> I only wish that more backbone was shown by our politicians outside of election season.<<<

    Maybe if they weren’t calling us bastards and morons to show how much “backbone” they have there wouldn’t be this trade dispute. Maybe if idiots like you didn’t mistake that for “backbone” you would have a real military, other trading partners to sell your softwood to and less foreign ownership.

  10. Wed Jan 11, 2006 4:13 am
    And that was a sincere question that deserved an arm waving, syrupy, blaberring "Let me be clear...I love Canada" response. I know, I felt so warm and fuzzy when Martin volunteered to answer that hard-hitting question. Especially since the Liberals have been telling us for 12 years that only Liberals have Canadian values. No alterior motive to that question whatsoever. It really cut through the spin and got to the meat of the issues facing our nation in this campaign. A triumph of substance over fluff. I'm sure it will be studied at journalism schools for years. NOT.



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