Tony Snow also admitted that President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair held a lengthy teleconference on the matter Sunday and spoke again Wednesday by phone. This was so pre-planned that Blair did not even break off his vacation to attend to the matter.
Meanwhile, the rest of the air traveling public will be subject to a new round of delays and prohibitions. Because this plot supposedly involved carrying explosive liquids aboard and then mixing them into a bomb while in flight, Britain has gone so far as to ban all carry-on luggage. In the US, all containers containing liquids will be banned, which in typical draconian fashion, will include all make-up, shampoo, bottled juice, etc. - just when we thought the TSA was getting rational and starting to allow nail clippers on board again. No such luck.
Read the rest of this article at Government Foreknowledge
This report sheds more light on the event
Former NSA Official: Terror Plot Cooked by Bush Blair Mafia
Wayne Madsen Report | August 11 2006
According to knowledgeable sources in the UK and other countries, the Tony Blair government, under siege by a Labor Party revolt, cleverly cooked up a new "terror" scare to avert the public's eyes away from Blair's increasing political woes. British law enforcement; neo-con and intelligence operatives in the United States, Israel, and Britain; and Rupert Murdoch's global media empire cooked up the terrorist plot, liberally borrowing from the failed 1995 "Oplan Bojinka" plot by Pakistan- and Philippines-based terrorist Ramzi Ahmad Yousef to crash 11 trans-Pacific airliners bound from Asia to the United States. In the latest plot, it is reported that liquid bombs were to be detonated on 10 trans-Atlantic planes outbound from Britain to the United States. British and American authorities permitted a man with a liquid bomb to board a U.S.-bound flight in Heathrow on Aug. 6 -- the pilot foiled secret UK-US attempt to hype an incident en route to or at Boston Logan. The London terror plan was "known" last Sunday by British and American authorities, according to the Indian press. American Airlines flight 109 from London Heathrow to Boston boarded a family of five, however, after the plane left Heathrow authorities determined that the father appeared on a British suspect list drawn up after the 7/7 London transit attacks. At first, the pilot was instructed to fly all the way to Boston where U.S. authorities could claim credit for apprehending the suspect. However, the pilot, fearing for the safety of his passengers and crew, refused and quickly returned to Heathrow without informing the passengers. Once on the ground, it was discovered that the male had in his carry-on baggage the type of combination liquid explosive and electronic device now being hyped by the British and American media. British sources report that the reason for the delay in informing the airlines and traveling public about the liquid bomb on the American flight was to maximize the beneficial political impact for Blair and George W. Bush, both plummeting in the polls from the situations in Iraq and Lebanon.
Read the rest of this report at Prison Planet.com
Note: Government Foreknowledge
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But all this "mixing" of components aboard an aircraft is too "James Bond", and I suspect it makes more good press than it does practicality.
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The same place that pumps this bullshit: <br />
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<a href="http://www.rense.com/general73/master.htm">http://www.rense.com/general73/master.htm</a><br />
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C'mon.
Rense says "We strongly recommend not 'assuming' anything. Read, consider, and make your own informed decisions." and then they post a quote. Or is it? I dunno, as they don't have a source.
I find it really, really difficult to believe that Menachem Begin actually said, "...COMPARED TO OUR RACE, OTHER RACES ARE BEASTS AND ANIMALS, CATTLE AT BEST...HUMAN EXCREMENT..OUR DESTINY IS TO RULE OVER THE INFERIOR RACES...THE MASSES WILL LICK OUR FEET, AND SERVE US AS OUR SLAVES." and the *only* source of this is Rense and the cite nothing as a source.
Nice website. At least they tell you right up front: "We strongly recommend not 'assuming' anything." They left out the end: "We strongly recommend not assuming anything here *is factual*"
"Rense.com makes no, and expressly disclaims any, warranties, express or implied, regarding the correctness, accuracy, completeness, timeliness, and reliability of the text, graphics, links to other sites and any other items accessed from or via this Website or the Internet, or that the services will be uninterrupted, error-free or free of viruses or other harmful components. Under no circumstances shall Rense.com, its owner, or any of their respective partners, officers, directors, employees, agents, associates or representatives be liable for any damages, whether direct, indirect, special or consequential damages for lost revenues, lost profits, or otherwise, arising from or in connection with this Website, the materials contained herein, or the Internet generally"
Translation: We print whatever. You buy it.
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According to one Gladio agent in his sworn testimony:<br />
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"You had to attack civilians, the people, women, children, innocent people, unknown people far removed from any political game. The reason was quite simple: to force ... the public to turn to the state to ask for greater security."<br />
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<a href="http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html">http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FLO502B.html</a><br />
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Not saying that they aren't Arabs and Muslims pissed off at the US and Britain's (and now maybe Canada's as well) one sided support for Israel's wholesale obliteration of lives and infrastructure in Lebanon and the unjustified and illegal US interference in Iraq to want to do us harm. But deffinitely I keep an open mind as to who and what is really the driving force behind these warnings of terrorist plots supposedly threatening to blow us out of the sky.<br />
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For example it looks like the FBI called off a plan to substitute a harmless substance for the explosives used in the 1993 bomb attacks on the WTC and even though they had an informer on the inside the plot was allowed to go ahead - another case of "incompetence" on the part of the FBI supposedly allowing a terror attack that could have been prevented to proceed.<br />
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<a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html">http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/OK/wtcbomb.html</a>
Why so emotional Jeff?<br />
One can just as easily “translate” anything you or any of us present.<br />
You have a decided bias and tone to your contribution here that in my opinion clouds objectivity.<br />
On that note and because you have insisted in continuing what I gave in to, the not including a source with the quote by Menachem Begin I WILL proved page after page of hate speak emanating from Jews.<br />
<a href="http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/palestinians.html">http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/palestinians.html</a><br />
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1. "There is a huge gap between us (Jews) and our enemies not just in ability but in morality, culture, sanctity of life, and conscience. They are our neighbors here, but it seems as if at a distance of a few hundred meters away, there are people who do not belong to our continent, to our world, but actually belong to a different galaxy." Israeli president Moshe Katsav. The Jerusalem Post, May 10, 2001 <br />
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2. "The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more".... Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time - August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000 <br />
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3. " [The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs." Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, "Begin and the Beasts". New Statesman, 25 June 1982. <br />
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4. "The Palestinians" would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls." " Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988<br />
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<a href="http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2005/11/01/palestine-should-be-wiped-off-the-map-did-anyone-react/">http://sabbah.biz/mt/archives/2005/11/01/palestine-should-be-wiped-off-the-map-did-anyone-react/</a> <br />
ou will read a lot in the next few days and weeks in the Zionist press about how Iran should be “wiped off the map” by the west for President Ahmadinejad comments. Now two wrongs don’t make a right but there is massive hypocrisy in the indignation shown by the world toward Iran.<br />
Please read below what leaders of Israel have said in the past about Palestinians and Arabs. There is also an interview below with Ariel Sharon, the current Israeli leader which vividly shows the difference between Judaism and Zionism. Not surprisingly you won’t find Bush, Blair, The Times, Telegraph or any British Newspaper printing this stuff! Now why would that be?<br />
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“We must expel Arabs and take their places.”<br />
— David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.<br />
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“We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population.”<br />
— David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.<br />
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“There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?”<br />
— Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.<br />
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“Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population.”<br />
— David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.<br />
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“Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves … politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves… The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country.”<br />
— David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky’s Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan’s “Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.<br />
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“If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel.”<br />
— David Ben-Gurion (Quoted on pp 855-56 in Shabtai Teveth’s Ben-Gurion in a slightly different translation).<br />
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“There is no such thing as a Palestinian people… It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn’t exist.”<br />
— Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.<br />
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“How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to.”<br />
— Golda Meir, March 8, 1969.<br />
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“Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen.”<br />
— Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961<br />
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“This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy.”<br />
— Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971<br />
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“We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?’ Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said ‘Drive them out!”<br />
— Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.<br />
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“[Israel will] create in the course of the next 10 or 20 years conditions which would attract natural and voluntary migration of the refugees from the Gaza Strip and the west Bank to Jordan. To achieve this we have to come to agreement with King Hussein and not with Yasser Arafat.”<br />
— Yitzhak Rabin (a “Prince of Peace” by Clinton’s standards), explaining his method of ethnically cleansing the occupied land without stirring a world outcry. (Quoted in David Shipler in the New York Times, 04/04/1983 citing Meir Cohen’s remarks to the Knesset’s foreign affairs and defense committee on March 16.)<br />
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“[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs.”<br />
— Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the ‘Beasts,”‘ New Statesman, June 25, 1982.<br />
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“The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized …. Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever.”<br />
— Menachem Begin, the day after the U.N. vote to partition Palestine.<br />
<a href="http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/4/1131/103/">http://www.mpacuk.org/content/view/4/1131/103/</a> <br />
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o what do Zionists say about Arabs? <br />
Friday, 28 October 2005 <br />
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MPACUK comment: You will read a lot in the next few days and weeks in the British press about how Iran should be "wiped off the map" by the west for President Ahmadinejad comments. Now two wrongs don't make a right but there is massive hypocrisy in the indignation shown by the world toward Iran. <br />
Please read below what leaders of Israel have said in the past about Palestinians and Arabs. There is also an interview below with Ariel Sharon, the current Israeli leader which vividly shows the difference between Judaism and Zionism. Not surprisingly you won't find Bush, Blair, The Times, Telegraph or any British Newspaper printing this stuff! Now why would that be?<br />
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"We must expel Arabs and take their places." <br />
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985.<br />
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"We must use terror, assassination, intimidation, land confiscation, and the cutting of all social services to rid the Galilee of its Arab population."<br />
-- David Ben-Gurion, May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, A Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.<br />
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"There has been Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"<br />
-- Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif (The Jewish Paradox), pp. 121-122.<br />
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"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because geography books no longer exist. Not only do the books not exist, the Arab villages are not there either. Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta; Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushua in the place of Tal al-Shuman. There is not a single place built in this country that did not have a former Arab population."<br />
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted in The Jewish Paradox, by Nahum Goldmann, Weidenfeld and Nicolson, 1978, p. 99.<br />
My point, Jeff, Is <br />
There is plenty of hate to go around on all sides<br />
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<p>---<br>We have met the enemy and he is us<br />
Pogo<br />
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.<br />
Plutarch
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Ah, finally someone else has noticed. It seems that these so-called terrorists have a fetish for passenger airplanes.
The whole point of being a terrorist is to cause terror, but you do not have to blow up airplanes to cause the effect. There are many ways to terrorize a nation, for example a man with only a sniper rifle can cause plenty of terror.
So, what's with the airplane fetish? Why go after a target that's so well sealed up, it's almost impossible to get through? Why pass up the many simple targets (buses, ships, shopping malls, concerts, hocky games, etc) and do nothing but get caught trying to blow up a plane or two?
If you happen to think that perhaps these 'terrorists' are not what the government tells us they are, then the peices of the puzzle start to come together, and you can answer questions such as 'Why to these unseen terrorsts always go after passenger airplanes when it makes little sense to do so?'.
If you agree that 'they hate us for our freedoms', then to find out who they are, all we have to do is look at who is taking away our freedoms. Only one entity is hard at work locking us up and I don't see anyone else doing it, do you?
The government in England has suspended habius corpus and may disappear the people whom they have arrested. The governments track record of executing people sans trial in broad daylight surrounded by witnesses should be well known to those who's memory is functional.
I linked to Prison Planet.com for the second article because it required less format fix ups.
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"Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
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"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"
But of course that doesn’t seem to be the way these things play out.
They play out according to hidden agendas while what gets presented to the public is in reality also part of an agenda.
That there are those who would act out and play into these hidden agendas should come as no surprise and even so called intelligent and educated folks, mostly out of a passion borne of fanaticism, further fan the flames.
I have noticed contributors on this forum who fixate on some minor aspect of an issue or and make that aspect fit their preconceived notions, that is until in some cases a rational explanations are presented.
If we as a society of humanity are to advance we need to pay attention to rational and not buy into the deceit used to manipulate our thoughts
Dio
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We have met the enemy and he is us
Pogo
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
Plutarch
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But airliner disaster do pack a tremendous media punch. But insofar as real effect goes, it's more inconvienience than actual damage.<br />
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Yes, the loss of life is a tragedy, and I am not belittling the death of anyone killed in such a way.<br />
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However, in terms of real damage to a society, it fails mierably to further the ends of anyone out to destroy a society from the outside: in this case jihadist terorists<br />
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It does however, play directly into those who want to destroy it from withing, as in governments wanting to stampede their citizenry into accepting the surrender of basic civil rights and liberties in the name of "safety" and "security".<br />
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And what's with this sudden technology upgrade to binary explosives? Most of those are ammonium nitrate - nitromethane based.<br />
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Pardon me, but can't ammonium nitrate be sniffed for by dogs? It's already a restricted substance, and surely bomb sniffing dogs are already on duty that can detect it.<br />
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Also, it requires a detonating cap: metal = detectable.<br />
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Here's a link that explains far better than I can:<br />
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<a href="http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-liquid.htm">http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/explosives-liquid.htm</a><br />
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This whole deal is getting more and more far fetched as time goes on.<br />
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What's next, strip searches and no clothing trans-atlantic flights?<p>---<br>"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"<br />
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"The Weapon" - Rush