Ottawa Not Up To `One Tonne Challenge'

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carbon trading....<br />
emission rights....<br />
C02 credits....<br />
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I've always believed in offering someone an incentive, if you want them to do something....

Telecommuting only works if the worker is squirreled away in an office by themselves to begin with, most jobs aren't like that, people have to get together to get things done.

The 'One tonne challenge' thing is a waste of resources, the efforts of thirty-three million Canadians to try and meet some artificial Kyoto accord targets can easily be wiped out by the emissions of a couple of large Asian cities because they don't have to do anything at all for Kyoto - not only that, there are two-and-a-half-thousand million Asians... (China+India+Miscellaneous nations)

Canadians who support Kyoto should step up to the plate now, instead of waiting until its effects work through the system after we implement the accord in two weeks, those Canadian believers should 1. Sell their cars 2. Quit their jobs 3. Turn the heat off in their homes 4. Drain their bank accounts and send the money to Asia - That is what they believe is good for others, especially young people who won't be able to afford stuff in the first place, it would prove their commitment if they went ahead and did it to themselves now.

<i>"Telecommuting only works if the worker is squirreled away in an office by themselves to begin with, most jobs aren't like that, people have to get together to get things done."</i> <p>That's 'cause our economy is antedeluvian. The Industrial Revolution, which massed hundreds and thousands of "cogs" into one place, is done with (with the notable exception of the sweat shops) Any industry that still requires this kind of work regimen is doomed to be lost to the China's of the world, and should be dispensed with as quickly as possible, rather than encouraged through some sort of subsidization or other.</p> Of course, that would require <u>A PLAN</u>, strictly anathema to so-called "free enterprisers", it seems.<p>---<br>RickW

Oh please. We've never had our own industry. We actually have the resources. We can't become luddites in a world of technocratic armies. We'd get economically crushed.

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Come on, we don't have our own industries? Where do those resources come from then? How about Alcan, Noranda, Fraser, Irving. There are tons of canadian industries, most notable is the financial industry which is the biggest in Canada. The banking industry of course is almost all canadian. Shoppers Drug Mart, Canadian Tire, virtually all the grocery chains, Loblaws, Weston and Sobeys, and on and on. In the maritimes, thanks to vertical integration Irving runs over 500 companies from a province with less population than Hamilton and St. Catherines. Irving's are now the largest private landholders in Maine. The thing is, in industry there is virtually no difference between american or canadian companies,they both operate under similar principles.

As far as telecommuniting goes, that is easy to do, it could have been done ten years ago, particularly in the insurance/banking/financial sectors, but also in others. Here it wasn't done simply because it's hard enough to keep people's minds on their work when their AT work. Telecommuniting was never intended to be ALL work done at home, but there are many jobs, particularly call centre jobs, which easily could be done that way. In most industries you don't even see a one or two day work at home system quite simply because industry doesn't trust workers (and rightly so in many cases). The only place you see it is in industries where the workers are completely commission based, like real estate (who still usually have an office).

As far as Kyoto goes, some of us partake because its the right thing to do. Forget global warming and everything, Canada has been an energy pig for as long as we've been around, surpassing the states when you consider how tiny our population is. There's nothing I can do about China, which is only doing what we've been doing so we really can't gripe about it now, however, I've long since stopped buying anything made in China, but that's all I can do. As far as the previous comments stupidly claiming we should quite our jobs, etc., that is just bunk. We live as close as possible to our work, have a good mileage and quite low emission vehicle that doesn't get driven much. However, for there to be real progress one naturally looks to government since they can effect societal change. We're still waiting for the rebates, incentives,etc, since the environmentalists have been the only ones pulling their weight for a long time. While public transit still goes underfunded there isn't a lot we can do about cars-thats a federal problem. However, knowing Paul Martin and the liberal philosophy, the 'do as we say not as we do' shouldn't surprise anyone.

Some so-called climate experts can guarantee that if we return to stone age technology we may, I say may, make up to 1 degree centigrade difference. And those are the optimists.
This treaty was the brainchild of former energy trader and oilman Maurice Strong who according to court allegations tried to steal and then sell the people of Colorado their own underground water. This billionaire is head of the globalization efforts of the UN. If this looks like the free trade treaties with a different title, it is. This is how they got lefties to buy into the slow suicide of free trade and globalization. The Russian scientists wrote one of the best reports on global warming that seemed to damn whatever was left of this theory only to see Putin being bribed with World Trade Organization membership if he signed on. The WTO president, as well as Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin, and UN head Kofi Annan, are protégés of Mr. Strong.
The deal lets you pay to pollute. Russia can sell Canada indulgences, China and India can sell Canada indulgences, Germany and Europe can sell Canada indulgences. In fact, these major polluters (you can see the Brown Cloud of Asia from space) and their selling of indulgences will allow comparatively clean countries to pollute in good faith. China already has a similar scheme in place. Companies are given a choice. Pay a fee or install scrubbers and other antipollution devices. Significantly most all pay up and continue poisoning everyone.