How I Came To Critique The Israel Lobby

Posted on Monday, September 17 at 16:23 by Diogenes
To me, this seemed a very noble enterprise, and I’m sure that I learned from my parents that activities for a social movement were really far more important than personal advancement. They were idealistic and motivated by a genuine concern for the Jewish people. Their Zionism emerged in the 1930s and 1940s when Jews were being attacked and discriminated against in the U.S. and eventually murdered in the millions in Europe. The staggering refusal of the U.S. government to allow refugees fleeing Nazism into this country unless, like the atomic scientists and some other well–known Jewish intellectuals, they had special skills that could be “useful” to the government, was only the tip of the iceberg. Country after country around the world shut their doors to the Jews. No wonder, then, that the Zionist movement, which had seemed far-fetched and unrealistic in its first decades, suddenly began to receive majority support from Jews after the Holocaust—Jews felt that the world had shown that the Jewish people could only be safe if we had our own country and our own army. I’m still proud of my parents for their commitment to an ideal outside of themselves. Their idealism and commitment to a larger movement made a big impact on me, even when I later chose different ideals and a different kind of movement with which to identify. Nobody ever mentioned to me in the years that I was growing up that there had been a major expulsion of Arabs from their homes in 1947–49 and though I heard about it from the Left in the 1960s, I found it hard to take seriously until Benny Morris, an Israeli historian, published in Tikkun a summary of some of his findings gained from the opening of the historical archives in Israel in the late 1980s. But even as a child I knew that there were Palestinian Arabs who had stayed in their homes and who were in the 1950s living under martial law in Israel. And when I began to question this and the purity of the Zionist movement that my parents were leading, I was quickly led to believe that anyone raising questions of this sort would be dismissed as a “self-hating Jew” or a budding anti-Semite. Those terms are not specific to the last two decades—they have been thrown around quite loosely by the leaders of American Zionism for at least the past seventy years (I first heard these epithets being used to describe the American Council for Judaism, a Reform movement based group that dared question the assumption that a Jewish state in Palestine would be the best strategy for Jewish survival). It was taken for granted in my household that anyone who didn’t buy into Zionism was in fact a Jew-hater. http://www.tikkun.org/magazine/tik0709/frontpage/israellobby

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  1. Tue Sep 18, 2007 1:36 am
    To the site owner on through to all those who've accussed me of anti-Semitism It is my sincerest hope that after reading this latest submission you will have a different opinion of me through my contributions.
    The gracious thing to do would be to offer an apology


    The Mod and I did this on a more personal level and look at the results, Surely the same result can come about


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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake

  2. Tue Sep 18, 2007 2:37 am
    One must really admire the "intellectual" chutzpa of the author..... On the one hand he decries the lies and fairy tales he has been told about Jews and Israel all his life.

    In the same paragraph he propagates the tales of the holocaust by bemoaning the "millions of Jews murdered by the nasty Nazis", tales perpetrated by the same interests and organizations that lied to him in the first place.

    As a legal court premise has it, "caught in one lie....".

    But but but, as long as the money and blackmail machine produces untold unearned riches, why change the lies.

    H.F. Wolff

  3. Tue Sep 18, 2007 5:32 am
    Is there really much difference between our posturing and his?
    I've me my share of insufferable Germans, and Englishmen et al. So his bias shows, and yours, it is with held?

    there are other points you may have disregarded in standing up for Nazi Germany.
    Germans Nazis were nasty
    but in you rush to find fault are your hands any cleaner than his?
    At least he is critical of other Jews
    are you critical of other Germans? because now is the time to voice it





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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake

  4. Tue Sep 18, 2007 7:00 am
    Dio,

    My bias is obvious to everybody who has read my scribblings. However, no-one has pointed out to me where I am wrong, or why.

    Do I criticize Germany? I don't think anyone here is interested in what I think about that modernday political/judicial shit hole! But then I think that about most western countries! (They're the ones I'm interested in).

    Judging by everything I have read...from numerous sources...over the last 50 years or so...the Germans were pussycats compared to everyone else. Of course it requires critical thinking and digging; relying on the MSM bromides, as we all know by now considering current affairs, will turn your brain to mush. :-)).

    I wonder why people who ask serious questions regarding the Jewish "burnt offerings" wind up with their careers wrecked or in prison? It is this fact that colours most of my thinking and writings. And the driving forces behind this scam are aided and abetted by every two-bit, and not so two-bit, western politician. Is EVERYBODY on AIPAC'S payroll??? Agreed that my opinions irritate certain people...tough.

    H.F. Wolff

  5. Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:32 am
    "However, no-one has pointed out to me where I am wrong, or why."

    Is that the issue, or is only pettiness?
    with the exception of the words you cite the balance of the article deserves, in my mind, Bravos

    Is there anything in the article you approve of?




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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake

  6. Wed Sep 19, 2007 5:30 pm
    Dio,

    Often when I point out an error in fact or logic I get called names instead of correction of the errors of my ways.


    Do I find any redeeming value in the original article? Indirectly, yes. It shows how very fortunate I was, when, at a very young age my mother encouraged me to question everything. Her words: "Any idea, opinion, theory, solution.... that cannot withstand ANY questioning without giving rise to name-calling is, at best, of questionable value or at worst completely false". I have taken this advice to heart and it has withstood the test of time.

    Consequently I feel somewhat sorry for the fellow in the article who had his young mind filled with so many falsehoods, by his parents no less. Yet when he does find out that issues are not as one-sided as his parents had him believe, he still believes and propagates the most monstrous lie of the last century. Personally I am convinced that this lie of "burnt offerings" is the cause for many of the difficulties encountered internationally. I can make a logical case for this.

    For those readers who are interested in this "burnt offerings" theme, you should be aware that this was also tried by Zionists during WW I, that is the FIRST WORLD WAR! Google on this or if politely requested I will dig out the references. Post WW I these allegations were rescinded by the British as war-time propaganda. But, because of the truly monstrous behaviour of the Allies during WWII thay had to maintain the fairy tale that the Nazis were "much worse" by comparison. Zionists, being what they are, profit from these fairy tales to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars.

    H.F. Wolff

  7. Wed Sep 19, 2007 7:02 pm
    I must believe, at least ‘til otherwise informed, the creation of the Zionist movement in 1897 had its reason for being the creation of a Jewish state—at any cost.
    It is this part that becomes somewhat ironic as there are many, and you as well as I may fall into this category. We may have trouble getting past firmly held beliefs

    “Yet when he does find out that issues are not as one-sided as his parents had him believe, he still believes and propagates the most monstrous lie of the last century.”

    How many here , for example. fail to change their beliefs with action once the learn that the biggest lie in all of history is the one known as banking?
    Being firm in ones belief is one thing being rigid is another. Everything done by any fool who has been propagandised by their national state must then be suspect in accordance to you mothers words
    And in a perfect world this would be so, however… and you can guess the rest.

    You best not be letting me find you in the situation you have placed the author of the piece in, eh?
    ;-)

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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake

  8. Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:07 pm
    "the biggest lie in all of history is the one known as banking"

    The biggest lie of all is not banking, or even the Holocaust, it's the lie that tells us that horrible things will happen if we allow people to speak out freely and question certain established "truths".

  9. Wed Sep 19, 2007 8:54 pm
    Questions and truthful answers.

    Let's not settle for less from those who live out-of-our pockets.

    Dio.: Regarding banking. Do you remember my essay published here some time ago entitled: Some Thoughts on Improving Our Democracy?

    In it I illustrated the modus operandus of banking and, although I didn't come right out and say that the western banking system is evil, one may conclude this from my scribbling. I did advise not to borrow money from banks, though.

    H.F. Wolff



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