Canada's Immigration Problem

Posted on Monday, July 05 at 10:36 by abacus
However, I think it is high time that Canada addressed the immigration issue with a good dose of realism, because this country is suffering and so are many of the immigrants living here. One of the more pressing problems is the recognition of foreign credentials. Too many Ph.D.’s, M.D.’s, etc. have to work as janitors or taxi drivers, because our current immigration system has misrepresented the facts to these people. Under the points system, a medical doctor would get the top score for qualifications. However, upon arrival in Canada, this new immigrant would find out immediately that his qualifications are not recognized, despite having been given the top score, and that he would have to return to medical school for a considerable number of years. It would appear, therefore, that our government is misleading and lying to potential immigrants around the world. The example of medical doctors not being able to pursue their chosen profession in Canada is just one of many; the same is true of foreign-trained engineers, nurses, lawyers, etc. It does not make any sense whatsoever that a lawyer trained in the UK, for example, should have to enrol and complete at least 1.5 years in a Canadian law school before being allowed to sit for the bar exam. And that is not even the problem. The problem is getting into a law school, because law schools give preference to first-year law students over foreign-trained lawyers from other countries. So, you may be put on a waiting list for a number of years before actually getting a chance to re-take those 1.5 years in law school as required by the Law Society. Add to this the waiting time for getting into articling and the articling period itself, and you may be looking at almost ten years of “additional” legal training in Canada. No wonder, then, that such foreign-trained lawyers start paralegal businesses, which the Law Society is not too fond of, if I may add. While the current immigration system is frustrating for many of today’s immigrants, it also places a heavy burden on Canadian society. Canada takes in immigrants, whose full potential cannot be realized under the current system, thus forcing these people into desperate situations. Some of them, with a less stable character, may and will turn to crime to support themselves and their families, and that creates more problems for our citizens. Then, there is another problem: that of language. Under our immigration laws, immigrants have to show that they can speak, read and write English and/or French at a functional level. However, the issue of language is often ignored in today’s applications, and that is why we end up with people who are, in fact, functional illiterates – regardless of whether they are doctors, engineers or whatever. Such immigrants, naturally, turn to menial jobs, but even there, the lack of language skills creates problems in the workplace and beyond. I know a woman from New Brunswick, who lives and works in Toronto. She works at a factory that assembles chairs – the aluminium kind with a padded seat and back. She is the only “real” Canadian at that factory. Her co-workers don’t speak English or only very little English. She says that the company has problems with orders and products all the time, because their workers cannot even follow the simplest of instructions. And nobody seems to care, not even the unions. As a result, productivity and morale are very low at that factory, which, in its own way, also has repercussions for the economy and society as a whole. In this case, for example, some operations, like payroll, have now been outsourced to the States, because it was felt that the local resources were insufficient. In other words, jobs have been lost to the USA in this case. In light of all these problems, I propose the following program: 1. The government should stop lying to potential immigrants around the world. Do not make them believe that there is a job waiting for them here, just because they have an M.D. Revise the points system and ensure that only applicants are admitted that actually have something to contribute to Canada (mind you, I am only talking about immigrants, not refugees. Refugees must be dealt with under international law and the Canadian charter. Immigrants, however, are not people fleeing from persecution or torture, which is why we need to screen them more carefully and ensure that Canada can actually benefit from these newcomers). 2. Language skills must become a top priority. Even the best brain surgeon in the world is no good to us here in Canada, if he cannot speak English and/or French. 3. Immigrants, once they have landed in Canada, must be subjected to mandatory language testing after the first six months. Those that pass will see their immigration status finalized; those that fail must go in for language classes and will be tested again after another six months. If they fail again, their status should be revoked. 4. The recognition of foreign credentials must be streamlined and accelerated. Instead of forcing immigrants back to school, the various professional bodies must provide their own training so as to upgrade newcomers’ skills and to bring them in line with Canadian expectations. For example, coming back to lawyers, the Law Society must provide individual-study programs for foreign-trained lawyers to help them achieve a Canadian level of the law. I also firmly believe that these programs should be paid for by the professional bodies themselves, with some assistance by the federal government. Canada has such a huge potential that is just waiting to be harvested. Right now, we have our apartment buildings cleaned by doctors and have ourselves chauffeured to the airport by university professors and engineers. At the same time, more and more Canadians are becoming frustrated with having to deal with people that do not speak any of our official languages. This affects our society and, in the business world, our productivity. Now is the time to act, to unlock that enormous potential that has been slumbering in Canada.

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  1. Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:09 pm
    Valuable commentary.

    To receive the necessary Canadian license, certification, etc., immigrant doctors, engineers etc. should only need to demonstrate that their qualifications and skills meet Canadian requirements. Forcing these individuals to jump through numerous hoops before be able to utilize their knowledge and training does not provide a service to the Canadian public.

    Immigration to Canada should be curtailed for those who do not meet the minimum language requirement prior to entry and/or do not posses skills/knowledge that can be of immediate benefit to the nation. Given that immigration must have an impact on purportedly fragile national infrastructure programs such as healthcare and the fact that national unemployment figures do not support the need for additional unskilled or semi-skilled workers being required by Canada, it seems difficult to justify the immigration levels of the past number of years.

    The issue of why it apparently remains difficult for an immigrant 'professional' to use their skills within Canada within a reasonable time-period after entry and what, or to who the, benefit of the immigration levels seen in recent years accrues deserves further in-depth analysis.

  2. Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:06 pm
    Immigration policy priorities should benefit all Canadians first and foremost, this simple idea has been lost in a fog of emotional individual appeals for family reunification and the condescending notion that we're providing relief for people of the third world by granting a handful of them access to our riches. Canadian politicians can score points with these measures but it doesn't do much for Canadians in general, nor does it do much for many of the immigrants. Canada accepts immigrants, and especially refugees, some of whom are illiterate in their own language under these programs, a recipe for making these people miserable, or they denude poorer countries of their educated classes under the points system and then don't let them work, a recipe for making those people miserable. Unfortunately there are many stakeholders in the Canadian immigration industry and they'll scream bloody murder if it looks like somebody might stop their gravy train. The present system is a ripe for a backlash against immigrants the next time the economy tanks so a reasonable discussion is warranted and our politicians should not be allowed to avoid it.

  3. by abacus
    Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:08 pm
    I am not talking about refugees. When someone flees from his home country, because he would otherwise be killed, tortured, etc., he cannot be expected to take an English-language course first and then come to Canada and apply.

    Immigrants, however, are a different story. They are not running for their lives; they make a conscious decision to settle in Canada and have to go through the proper channels. I therefore believe that is only legitimate to screen those applicants very carefully (language skills, occupation, any other skills, etc.).

    Immigration must benefit both the host country and the immigrant. If an immigrant is admitted for all the wrong reasons, he will be miserable and of no use to his host country.

  4. Mon Jul 05, 2004 11:12 pm
    Because I ran for the NDP, I know part of the party platform was to provide better recognition and actual jobs for foreign professionals immigrating to Canada. Anybody know what the platforms of the various other parties were on immigration?

    We also need to discuss harmonization of our immigration policies with the U.S., which I believe has already begun. I don't have the info in front of me, but I believe we may have already changed our laws regarding refugees and who can get in to Canada, including whether they can get in after having applied in the U.S. and being turned down.

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  5. Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:14 am
    I believe most party platforms indicated a need to improve situations where immigrant skills are not fully utilized to the advantage of the nation, i.e., medical doctor in country of origin and dishwasher in Canada.

    I think this has been a recognized issue for some time. It would be interesting to know what has been impeding the resolution of this situation.

    For anyone who's interested, the 2002 Canadian immigration stats are at http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/pdf/pub/facts2002.pdf.

  6. Tue Jul 06, 2004 4:01 am
    Like what? The millions and millions of immigrints in the
    USA at the turn of the century? You forget that while
    some of these immigrints may have a tough time in Canada,
    they may have had a much tougher time in their
    origionating countries. You also don't speak of how well
    their children will do after being educated here.

    <p>Immigration isn't just to bring in skilled labour.
    It's to increase the population and therefor invest in the
    future of the country.

  7. Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:16 pm
    I watched a program on CPAC not long ago that was dealing with this very issue, and the head table had many distinguished persons who gave a short lecture and took questions from the audience, who were possibly there by invitation.

    The one thing that stood out is language.

    Yes, in the early days, our country benefitted from immigration greatly, and they helped build this country.

    However, now we have a highly technical society, and if for instance, a doctor comes from another country and speaks good conversational English or French , that is not good enough in this day and age.

    They must be able to speak at the top level of business.

    What sense would it make to put a doctor in the emergency room if they don't know the "slang" that we use in this country ? Code Blue, IV, Saline solution, and I suspect there are many more examples of word combinations that are industry-specific.

    The point this panel made was that an immigrant that does not fully know the language of their specialty, will take years to move into a position of management, no matter how well educated they are.

    Language is the building block of coming to this country and fitting in within a short period of time.

    That is the way we will benefit, and so will the immigrant.



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  8. Wed Jul 21, 2004 10:07 pm
    There are a few points I think are important to add to this discussion.

    1 - Language is very important, especially occupation-specific language. Right now the language classes offered by the government and private schools are fine - if you want to do your grocery shopping at the corner store. Immigrants need to be able to learn the language of work, whether that be in the medical field, engineering field, or just the language of business. The government should offer these classes, and the industry associations should offer these classes.

    2 - No one is mentioning the employers. The burden is being placed over and over again on the immigrant. There are people who have their credentials recognized, know the language, have the skills, and still cannot get work. Employers blame it on a lack of Canadian work experience. What they're really saying is they're scared to take a risk. They know what to expect if someone comes to them with a Canadian degree. What are they supposed to do with one from Mexico or the Philippines? How do they know if it was a good college or not? How do they know it even exists? Employers need to be better educated. There is a program in Toronto that puts skilled immigrants in internships with companies - most of them banks or large organizations. Over and over the managers say "where did you get this person?" They're the same people who've been applying for years, and their resumes were tossed in the trash.

    3 - The regulatory bodies need to change the way they look at international candidates. To become licensed as an engineer in Ontario you have to have a few years Canadian work experience. How can you get that experience if you don't have the license to work? Why don't they accept foreign experience? If you build a bridge in India, isn't it the same as building a bridge in Canada. If you're worried ask them to write a test. Many immigrants would be happy to do this to prove their knowledge. In Ontario there are thousands of international doctors who have passed all the tests required for licensure, but they can't get a residency spot because there are only 200 spots total for all international candidates (this includes Canadians who did their medical school in the states or abroad)! Many of these people are giving up (including the young Canadians) and are moving to the states where there are more spots available, or they're moving back to their home countries.

  9. Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:33 pm
    The Canadian immigration programmme has brought about many controversies. Immigrants from different parts of the world have contributed significantly to development over time. But to face the fact, these immigrants come into Canada with a hope of living a better life and the Canadian government welcomes them with open arms hoping that the immigrants would contribute significantly to the economy. Are there really good jobs for the immigrants even if they have all the qualifications? Does an immigrant who writes and passes the Canadian Institute of Chartered Accountant sure of getting a good Accountancy job? Wouldn't there be discriminations?

  10. Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:42 pm
    This is my personal experience.
    A person known to me has a Masters degree in Computer Science from a reputed university in India. She worked in India for 5 years as an IT professional. She migrated to Canada in 2003. She applied for several jobs and everyone asked for Canadian experience and Canadian degree. She tried for a respectable 6 months in vain. She even tried to get into a university, that is another sad story. She is fortunate that she has IT experience and jobs are raining on India - She came back to India after 6 months and got a job within 15 days with a Multinational which then transferred her to the US.. with a salary of USD 70K. What Canada lost of atleast 30% of 70K pa... Her advice now is "If you have brains, do not go to Canada, they are in a time warp!"

  11. Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:22 pm
    Canada doesn't need Professionals, they need skilled workers. I have not seen a single Welder, Fitter, Mechanic, X ray technician etc. migrated from Asia unemployed.

    Most of the people suffering are Professionals..Engineers, Doctors, Research Scientists etc....I feel this is mainly due to the fact that these are highly paid jobs which "Original Canadians" are willing to give it to colored immigrants.

    Deep

  12. Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:23 pm
    Canada doesn't need Professionals, they need skilled workers. I have not seen a single Welder, Fitter, Mechanic, X ray technician etc. migrated from Asia unemployed.

    Most of the people suffering are Professionals..Engineers, Doctors, Research Scientists etc....I feel this is mainly due to the fact that these are highly paid jobs which "Original Canadians" are NOT willing to give it to colored immigrants.

    Deep

  13. Tue Aug 24, 2004 12:47 pm
    Hello,

    I agee that good communication skills are must to succeed in Canada. I am an Engineer by profession and have worked in American and Canadian companies for International projects.

    All the Technical standards, specifications used for the work were American/Canadian. All our co-workers were deputed from US/Canada.

    After many years of experience, when I migrated to Canada...they offered me layman's job. Do you think I dont have the Technical skills required for the job..or do you think my English is weak??? if that is so these companies would not have employed me.

    Truth is that the only thing different was my color...which is noticebale when you land in Canada.

    I dont want to emphasise more or 'sensitive' issues which is a reality...and is the main reason for immigrants' failure in Canada.

    Skill shortage is a real bogus...Canada want immigrants to bring in money so that "Original Canadians" and welfare is taken care of........Each immigrant will bring and spend equvalent of CAD 10,000 over a period of 6 to 8 months of arrival.

    Just calculate 200,000 people x CAD 10,000 = Income of Canadian Govt due to Immigration each year

    What a way to fuel the economy !!!!!!!

    Deep

  14. Thu Aug 26, 2004 9:40 am
    Wow, I never realized we have these prejudices in Canada! This is a sad state of affairs, we need trained people and yet we are not employing them because of language or worse skin colour??? That is the most bizarre thing I have ever heard, where does this prejudice come from, we don't have a history of prejudice, so something is going wrong, we assisted slaves in becoming free from the U.S. slave trade, how did we get to this state?

    I mean of course I have heard the odd racial joke, inappropriate comment from time to time, but not usually and never have seen it in the workplace or socially. Most racial or ethnic jokes I hear are from the person, not about them, but I don't live in a large city, so that might be the difference.

    Most rural areas are so glad to welcome new families and workers I guess they just see people as people. I do however understand the language problem, you must be able to speak clearly so that you can communicate with others in the workplace, but that doesn't just apply to immigrants.

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