Charest To Promote Quebec's Involvement In Deep Integration

Posted on Sunday, April 17 at 16:38 by sthompson
Translation: * The meeting follows the same steps taken at the recent summit between Mr. Bush, Canadian Prime minister Paul Martin and Vincente Fox, the Mexican president, during which a promise for a greater north american integration was promised. Mr Charest's intentions are to indicate Québec's desire to become a partner in it.

The whole thing: Charest ne passera pas inaperçu à Washington

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  1. Mon Apr 18, 2005 12:02 am
    I hope he at least gets a good price.

  2. Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:29 am
    The PQ would do the same thing--sorry Michou, but our enemy is a common enemy. These people believe in corporations, not countries.

    -Perturbed.

  3. Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:39 pm
    I would go a step further. Charest et al, believe in the Talmudic economic process, the pyramid, that operates behind the government/corporate front.

    The buzzwords fly about; communism, corporatism, socialism, capitalism, but I contest these words mean nothing.

    Deep integration is another way of describing the enlargement of the pyramid, with you-know-who at the top.

    Question for you Perturbed: The new mayor of Edmonton, what do you know about him?

  4. Mon Apr 18, 2005 2:56 pm
    Regarding the Talmudic economic process, all I can say is I was always told the Jewish bible was the Old Testament.....and then I heard about the Talmud. All of the conspiracy theories I have read have some holes in them, but theories involving Judaism's influence on world events are much more plausible IMO. Perhaps you could expand on what you meant by that term.

    I don't know much of anything about the new mayor of Edmonton...I did hear his name, but I can't even remember that. What is significant about him?



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  5. Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:40 pm
    My focus is always on the practical, so to me this article represents a tenuous opportunity for creating connections between a "Canadian sovereignty" movement and a "Quebec sovereignty" movement. My immediate question is whether it is possible for anglophones to connect with citizens in Quebec to jointly oppose "deep integration" with the US, especially when Charest is jumping on the bandwagon. And if so, how do we go about doing that? What actions and changes in approach would that require?

    From what I understand, historically Quebec has often seen the U.S. as a potential ALLY in the struggle for independence and separation. But if it becomes obvious and apparent that the US is more interested in integrating, ie destroying Quebec's unique ability to set policy, unique culture, and therefore any possibility for the sovereigntist aims of many (in much the same way our elites seem set on doing that in anglo Canada), isn't there a good possibility for connection and creating a larger movement with a slightly different/larger focus when discussing sovereignty? (Especially since Sept 11/Iraq etc and the anti-French feelings in the US that inspired "freedom fries" and all the rest of the ridiculousness have made a strong anti-Francophone current in the US obvious and apparent.) Probably the biggest challenge and most important part of the process WOULD be arguing/proving convincingly, that the PQ and the Bloc would indeed support for deep integration with the US as Perturbed etc have already argued; and that it would in turn actually defeat the very purpose for which those parties say they exist.

    There would be other challenges too, like overcoming anglo prejudices and differentiating between the wants/desires of the Canadian state and this movement of Canadian citizens.

    But wouldn't that be ironic, eh--if dealing with the larger threat of the US as it tried to dismantle Canada gave us all a common "enemy" and a way to unite the two solitudes, making us stronger in the end?

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    Now call it extreme if you like, but I propose we hit it hard, and we hit it fast, with a major, and I mean major, leaflet campaign.--Rimmer, Red Dwarf

  6. Mon Apr 18, 2005 7:49 pm
    The problem being that WE (as in the rest of Canada) are not part of Quebec. It is not that Quebec is not a part of Canada. Quebec is a nation. With a sense of unity and purpose. And an identity. Canada is not. Canada is still struggling to become a nation, and to "find itself". Canada has fought to include Quebec, but Quebec does not want to be IN Canada, Quebec just wants it's natural resources. It's like is the glass half empty or half full? Unity to the rest of Canada means Quebec WITHIN Canada under the "umbrella" of a "national" government of some form. To Quebec, it is a matter of Canada becoming part of Quebec, and submitting to it's will. If it can not achieve that end, them it wants to be separate. Quebec is fully aware it already holds all of the cards in the "relationship" anyway, and has nothing to gain/lose other than the natural resources of a vast land mass. And the tax dollars of it's inhabitants. They already view themselves as a seperate entity/country. They send their own representatives to most all international forums. Go to one, and you will see Canada represented...and Quebec represented as well. Distinctly and separately. Quebec's ties to France and Europe are vastly superior to the rest of Canada. The have more money, power, and influence than the rest of Canada could possible even HOPE to aspire to short of a hundred years time. France is the tail that wags the E.U. dog, and French corporations own Quebec. Quebec is the tail that wags the dog in Canada and a good portion of America as well. It's people control Canada...it's government, it's corporations, and it's media. And in conjunction with their U.S. Democratic Party allies they own a majority of the American press/media/entertainment conglomerate as well. For example Al Gore, Joel Hyatt, Vivendi Universal, Power Corp. of Canada, but that's a different story so I'll not go down that road here. Quebec has it's own thing going in conjuntion with France and parts of Europe. We in the remainder of Canada are not necessary for their future development and progress, with the exception of our natural resources, and our human labor resource. So long as we continue to provide all they require to that end we have some sort of a "tenous" relationship at best. But they are looking to their own future, and their own prosperity. It's time we do the same. I think that if they want to separate that would not be a huge problem other than the inconvenience of their geopraphical location, they cut off access of a good third of Canada from the other two thirds physically. And what designs would they potentially have on that one-third of eastern Canada after it was isolated from the rest of Canada? Food for thought. Anyway, the god old days of the French Canadian "deep integration" into America are coming to a close as they have been getting wiser to those "creeping fingers"...things have been coming to the forefront lately that have been hidden for generations. Influential and powerful French people have had access and influence deep into America for over a hundred years throguh the open and untended back door of Quebec. Americans have been historically stupid, but it
    s looking like those days are ending. As the "window of opportunity" seems to be closing, certain people will be getting a bit more desperate and a bit more intense in their activites here in Canada as they attempt to maintain their hold on power. Observe the La Francophonie activites, UNESCO, Martin's efforts to form new organizations as alternatives to old ones that are more favourable to francophonie interests. Especially around November of last year? The most power and influence on the entire North American Continent are French. France, or Quebec, or an alliance of the two. We are governed by it, and the Americans are heavily manipulated by it. We need to face facts here in Canada. We need to either give ourselves over to these French interests, and become Desmaraisland (like a Canadian Disneyland). Or begin generating some close alliances between the pieces of the future Canada that will be physically seperated from one another by Quebec. Either that, or there will emerge three distinct countries. Eastern Canada (which Quebec will eventually "absorb"), Quebec, and Western Canada (assuming Vancouver doesn't slit it's wrists at the thought of partnering with rural B.C. and Alberta). Or that Sask. and Manitoba could stomach Ontario. Or that Ontario could stomach Alberta. Christ a'mighty we have a problem don't we? SO instead of expending all of our time, effort, energy, and money on fighting a losing battle with Quebec who is going to go it's own way with as much of our "stuff' as it can take with it, maybe we need to get busy building unity and alliances amongst the groups/provinces/areas/cultures that are left. And maybe for once we could get the indigenous people in on the planning for OUR future. We can maybe then "find ourselves"...and a united Canada, something we can ALL participate in, and lay claim to...and take ownership of as ours...a free Canada undivided by hate. Quebec will be much happier as well, trust me. Lets finish fighting our own demons first, establish a strong base of unity before we start fighting imaginary demons outside our borders (like what the franco-media, franco-government, franco-corporatons want us to occupy ourselves with). Until we accomplish that we'll never be anything but sheeple waiting for our next fleecing...baaaa...baaaa...baa...

  7. Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:03 pm
    Germany and Britain control the E.U.--there's no way France does.

  8. by avatar Dino
    Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:18 pm
    Anonymous who wrote that Quebec does not want to be in Canada. Tell that to the 66% of Quebecers who want to remain in Canada.

  9. Mon Apr 18, 2005 9:27 pm
    Are you finished? That was ridiculous. Most Quebecers are not anglophones and probably can't read or understand what you are saying. There is almost no way it will unfold the way you describe it. That is completely hypothetical....not all Quebecers think the same way.

  10. by michou
    Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:43 am
    <p>In direct from Washington, Charest stated yesterday that more 'security' at the border would be detrimental to Montreal's catering to worldwide (especially American) business conferences. So instead of passport requirements, Charest is pushing for the idea of North American identity cards for everyone, Canadians and Americans. <p> So tell me, which one do you prefer, a passport issued by the Canadian government or an identity card registered with the U.S. security apparatus ? <p> In French there is an expression that says: "Se faire passer un sapin", basically meaning that we are being tricked with a lie so big, it is as big as a fur tree and one must be blind not to see it. I'd rather never go back to the States than being obliged to carry a U.S.-Canadian identity card...or will it be made compulsory for all Canadian citizens to carry ? <p>---<br>« Il y a une belle, une terrible rationalité dans la décision d'être libre. » - Gérard Bergeron <br />

  11. Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:45 pm
    <p>Gee, I knew a 'fur' tree was impossible...it just took me a few hours to figure out it was 'fir' tree. Either way, it's a big lie and a humongous joke on all of us. Hope you all had a good laugh just the same. <p> michou

  12. Tue Apr 19, 2005 5:19 pm
    I would much prefer a card from USA rather then Canadian government. Our government are mob guys. Totally untrustworthy. Even the folks in this website must admit that Mr. Bush is looking much better then our government.
    Hooray for the republicans and down with the liberals. People are now speculating that Mr. Martin didn't go to Rome for the funeral rather he was meeting with other godfathers. Going to Rome was just a cover story.

  13. Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:40 pm
    Go away.

  14. Wed Apr 20, 2005 6:18 am
    If Canada, USA, and Mexico deeply integrate one day, I will have to leave Canada and North America. But until then, I will help out to stop this. I also believe that many Canadians, Americans, and Mexicans will not stand for this North American Integration.

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