Elderly Man Fatally Shoots Wife, Self At B.C. Hospital

Posted on Wednesday, August 30 at 16:41 by RPW
Excerpts: Police did not immediately identify the couple and were trying to determine a motive for the deaths. The 77-year-old man and his 80-year-old wife were a "very kind, gentle older couple that appeared to be very close," said Murray Ramsden, CEO of the Interior Health Authority. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/6420AP_Canada_Hospital_Shooting.html Commentary: In listening to the CBC news this morning (30 Aug.) of this event, I was incensed at the news reader's implication that somehow the husband did not love his wife enough that he should commit such an act. And indeed, the authorities in general sound a bit perplexed over this. I would suggest that he loved his wife so very much, that he would rather be done with life (for the both of them), rather than drag out the remaining few years with nothing more to add to the life they had forged and enjoyed together. Are we so blind in this society that all we can see is life at any cost, and it simply doesn't matter about the quality? Are we so afraid of examining the whole issue of elder care and quality of life issues? Has the plight of the elderly in this society reached the point where few of us can relate to our grandparents as humans anymore? Are we completely ignorant of the values our elderly lived by, because ours have become so different (and so self-serving)? We increasingly insist on shutting the elderly up in boxes, and away from the children they (often labouriously) raised, and for what reasons.....because they "smell"? Or because they offer "opinions" we don't want to hear? Or because they are an "expense" and an "inconvenience"? Then we express "shock and outrage" when we find out they've had enough of living.............

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  1. by srfl
    Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:25 am
    The couple were devoted to each other. She had been ill for some time and he had looked after her at home. After being in hospital for quite a while, she was slated to go to a care home....dementia was also advancing. It must have looked like a "no hope left" situation to him. If there is no quality of life left...was he wrong?
    How many of us would like to live out our days, helpless, in pain, or in a fog of drugs, at the mercies of others for our care?

  2. by srfl
    Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:32 am
    quote: "We increasingly insist on shutting the elderly up in boxes, and away from the children they (often labouriously) raised, and for what reasons.....because they "smell"? Or because they offer "opinions" we don't want to hear? Or because they are an "expense" and an "inconvenience"?" Yes, for all those reasons, plus we don't know how to care for them.....and we are too busy.

  3. Thu Aug 31, 2006 4:16 pm
    People may think this unpopular, but I have an agreement with a couple of my closest friends to help me in exactally the same way, should I or they require it. Not a murder/suicide thing, just an 'accidentally knock the ventilator plug out of the wall' thing.

    If I am ever unable to end my own life, they will help me, and I would return the favour should the situation be reversed.

    I suspect this couple had made a similar agreement. And I applaud them for their dedication to not let the other suffer needlessly.

    "I have lost the will to live.
    Simply nothing more to give.
    There is nothing more for me,
    need the end to set me free." 'One.' Metallica.

    ---
    "I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

  4. Thu Aug 31, 2006 5:43 pm
    You get a lighter salute for THAT quote, dude.


    And I also, would choose death over a life of misery and pain.

    I salute this old guy, and his courage. May they live together now, hand in hand, forever in love and free of pain.

    ---
    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

  5. Thu Aug 31, 2006 6:37 pm
    My mother has alzheimers at 80 and my father is 77. She is in an e.c.u. (extended care unit) and has been for the last year after he could no longer care for her. My father simply goes down, holds her hand and talks to her. Sure he holds both sides of the conversation but he still jokes with her and makes her feel loved. He says it is no inconvenience and he's in it till death do them part. He still cherishes the time they have together even if she can't communicate properly with him.
    I guess my point is, just because hes had enough, doesn't nessesarily mean she has. Remember that if we devalue life for ourselves it won't be long before we look at enforced euthenaisa by loved ones who do not care or cannot afford care. Our pioneers deserve our love and respect. Suicide is the end result of despair so don't force them down that path by indifference.
    My father gets depressed sometimes but thats what your family is there for.
    Where you guys applaud his choice I simply see sadness and tragedy.

  6. Fri Sep 01, 2006 12:19 am
    I applaud his choice, and I see sadness, and I see tragedy.

    And I know they are together now, and sure, he's in the doghouse for shooting her and all ;), but she will forgive him.

    ---
    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

  7. by RPW
    Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:08 am
    <blockquote>....just because hes had enough, doesn't nessesarily mean she has </blockquote> ....something we will never really know. I prefer Dr. C's version of things. Ever since the parlor became the "living room", we've developed a competely irrational fear of death and dying. Great lobbying on the part of the Avaricious Morticians of America (aka AMA)............<p>---<br>"We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both."<br />
    - Justice Louis Brandeis

  8. Fri Sep 01, 2006 4:24 am
    Well I guess soylent green is right around the corner. Or perhaps an ice flow to push them out on. There are lots of those because of global warming. sounds like a lucrative business idea.
    Maybe... just maybe we should go back to multi-generational family dwellings where we can see the family age and be a part of their lives until the end as I beleive it is meant to be. Not break up the family unit to make us feel more alone in the world. This is fundamental in fear production.

  9. by RPW
    Fri Sep 01, 2006 3:02 pm
    I am thinking that the "family unit" stayed together (more or less) until the end of WWII. Then, in the best "tradition" of Orwell's <b><i><u>1984</u></i></b>, various interests acted to break the family unit up, because (as you noted) if you can divide a cohesive force, you can more easily conquer it. The division was the very prosperity that the war brought on, and in the best example of Newspeak, was touted as "freedom". Then began the convoys of motor homes on the highways, virtually all grannies and grandpas taking advantage of this "freedom". Then came the divorces, and the dead beat dads, and the child molesting, and gangs of kids basically left to fend for themselves ('cause Mom & Dad both had to work - presented as another "freedom"), then the increase in working hours in pursuit of another "freedom", all leading to.......what?<p>---<br>"We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both."<br />
    - Justice Louis Brandeis



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