Domestic Terrorists Exist In Canada: CSIS

"Nothing quite like a national police force sanctioned state of anxiety to keep the hoi polloi fear bound, is there?"

Indeed! I'm hearing a lot of new terms lately.

'Natural Born Enemy Combatant'
'Homegrown Terrorist'
'Act of Domestic Terrorism'

Seems 'Terrorism' has changed 'from an act of violence for political gain' to 'whatever the gubmint don'ts wants us doin'

'Domestic Terrorists' phooey. In my day, we just called them 'street gangs'. And that was the way we liked it.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

What about that sub-class of domestic terrorists we call politicians? Now THERE is a scary bunch............

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RickW

or this group <br />
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<a href="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271&q=cia">http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8085945499556832271&q=cia</a><br />
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<p>---<br>The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

They want us to be afraid of ethnic children? Ooooo. Scary. How about the growing number of economically and socially marginalized members of our culture who have been downsized and/or globalized right into bankruptcy or the food-bank line? How about those who have had enough of the outright lies and hidden agendas of the capital imperialists we call our business leaders and politicians? They dont need to be worried about ethnic children as much as they need to be worried about the increasing number of people who are finding reason enough to think about becoming freedom fighters and taking back control of their country.

"Hooper didn't give specifics on the estimated numbers of such potential threats or where they were located. He didn't take questions from reporters after the hearing."

Let's see...

an unseen threat, followed by questionable details, and finished off with the official silence of unanswered questions.

Nice job at fear mongering.

Far as I am concerned, the only real terorists we have to worry about here in Canada are those in the PMO and their allies/cronies.



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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

It had been said before and on VIVELECANADA that in order to get Canada envolved with American invasions, a scare has to be thrown to the Canadians. So far it's just words. Will Bush be able to convince Harper to go the extreme, is yet to see. Perhaps if we all start looking under our beds at night and allow Harper to turn outr military into a killing machine, it may be enough. Will there be an option?

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Expect little from life and get more from it.

Just words eh? No terrorists in Canada you say?<br />
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Ahmed Ressam tried to blow up LAX and procured his explosives in Canada. Got caught by lucky chance at the US border:<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmed_Ressam</a><br />
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Momin Khawaja was caught with detonators and other equipment to set off bombs. This yahoo is connected to the London bombings as well. Arrested in Ottawa. <br />
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<a href="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=9642cd35-ceff-4c59-b006-bf3e60980b77">http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=9642cd35-ceff-4c59-b006-bf3e60980b77</a><br />
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What list would be complete without the Kahdr family? A truly upstanding vision of what Canadian terrorists can be.<br />
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/index.html">http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/index.html</a><br />
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Then there is Sleiman Elmerhebi. Firebombed a Jewish school in Montreal. Nice kid I'm sure - so long as you are a virulent anti-semite. Maybe not a real "terrorist" as Dr. Caleb defines it. More likely a racist jack@ss who has been listening to too much Al Jezzera. <br />
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<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/16/montreal-school-041216.html">http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/12/16/montreal-school-041216.html</a><br />
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Truth be told, that is the worst of the "domestic terrorism" so far. So we haven't had anything to the scale of Madrid, London, Bali or New York. Just a firebombing of a school and no injuries. We've had worse in the past (FLQ crisis, Litton bombing come to mind). <br />
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And it is true that most "Canadian" terrorists come here more for financing and planning attacks on real targets like the US, Russia and the UK (Tamil Tigers, Hezbolla, Hamas, IRA, etc...). That doesn't mean that they might not one day decide to test something here, or get ticked off enough about something we did to actually hit us. Additionally, there are many US/UK/<insert any nationality here> targets right here on Canadian soil. And if someone decides to hit a foreign target (say an embassy - or an Air India airliner) on Canadian soil, it is Canadians that will bear the brunt of the deaths (like the domestic populations in the Kenya and Tanzania US embassy bombings).<br />
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It's too bad they don't identify any of these "home grown" threats (but I imagine the Khadr's are on the list). But it is at least encouraging that they are looking into it, and understandable why they don't say who they are (why would you tell someone they are under surveillance?). As someone who takes the Toronto subway a couple times a week, I would prefer dropping a few more security certificates on these people rather than waiting for a smoking hole at the Bloor/Yonge station. <br />

Just words eh?<

"So far it's just words."

These arrests are done with American input. Canada has decided to "act" like an American and perhaps will pay their penalty as well. "Scare tactics" or not, Canada has entered a realm where it may eventually be realistic. If anything Canada will have to be convinced by Harper and Bush that the terrorists caused by Americans are real. Isn't it great to be a neighbour to a blood thirsty nation.


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Expect little from life and get more from it.

If CSIS and Hooper actually do have the goods on these "terrorists", then what I would like to know is what exactly do they plan to do about it?

Wait until they bring down a building or worse?

Vague and nebulous warnings have distinct advantages over producing the goods.

No arrests means no trials and no public investigations.

No investigations means no one can prove\disprove the official line.

No investigations also leaves CSIS unaccountable for the accuracy of their announcements\charges or their actual effectiveness in their assigned role.

All in all, it's pretty sweet deal for the spooks and their power mad controllers.



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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

To paraphrase an old commercial, "Let Mikey try it, he&#8217;ll eat anything"

The main thrust of this thread is not whether Domestic terrorist exist in Canada, they do!in the form of CSIS It is an act of fear mongering the announce D*O*M*E*S*T*I*C terrorists exist.
You miss the mark, Mikey, when you claim &#8220;(why would you tell someone they are under surveillance?)&#8221; for CSIS HAS tipped its duke by making their announcement(s).


Ask the average joe on the street to describe a &#8220;terrorist&#8221; and I&#8217;ll bet the meme of the swarthy Mid-easterner will be the reply.

Pure propagandas fare!
But HEY! Mickey will eat anything
LOL



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The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein

I'm getting lectured on swallowing propoganda from the internet conspiracy wizard? The person who makes his assertions on 9/11 based on the ranting of some deluded hick who starts his own church and a coked out actor? You need to put yourself on a solid footing before you cast those type of aspersions Dio.

Deacon, it looks like that CSIS, Harper and company (and that would include the previous Liberal government) have acted... after all, we have 4 or 5 people being held under security certificates and several others in jail or being deported for their terrorism ties. Who knows what Momin Khawaja was going to do with his detonators (he's arrested, not held under security certificate). Maybe you, Boflaade and Dio think he was setting up his kids birthday party and the candles on the cake were going to be a bit elaborate. And he was found with UK help, not US. Or don't you guys make a distinction? Let me know if you want a listing of arrests and detentions and ongoing investigations. For whatever reason, you guys seem to be able to Google just about anything other than the facts.

Further, when CSIS does do something (like hold someone on a security certificate) you jump off the deep end about violations of their rights and a conspiracy to remove the rights from all Canadians... then you turn around and bitch that they are not doing anything. What colour is the sky in your world and can you teach the rest of us exactly how you can have your cake and eat it too?

"I'm getting lectured on swallowing propoganda from the internet conspiracy wizard? The person who makes his assertions on 9/11 based on the ranting of some deluded hick who starts his own church and a coked out actor? You need to put yourself on a solid footing before you cast those type of aspersions Dio."

Wow an internet wizard, a deluded hick, and a coked out actor, I'm convinced. Seriously the MSM as mouthpeice for proponents of PNAC took the Pepsi challenge over the WMD in Iraq. What was the verdict on that one, again? You might want to try a little coke, homegrown god, or internet wizardry to beef up your news coverage.

And I think the MSN has owned up to the case against the WMD in Iraq. Pretty much everyone (except maybe Fox News) has said that this reporting was in error.

You're an amusing man Micheal Scott.

You seem to call any deviation from official government lines "conspiracy theries" or worse.

"after all, we have 4 or 5 people being held under security certificates and several others in jail or being deported for their terrorism ties."

4 or 5?

Wahooo!! We can all rest easy over the arrest of these hordes of evil and vile terrorists who threaten our great nation.

"Several"? Oh, now there's a move right out of the CSIS playbook.

I've never heard of the number "several" before. How many places to the left of the decimal does "several" go? Is it base 2, base 6, base 10? What kind of number is it? Maybe it's an imaginary number. That would go along with your worldview quite nicely I think.

I don't know anything about coked out anyone actually, I just know that real world physics behaves one way, and your world physics behaves like a Wile E Coyote cartoon gone insane.

Tell you what, you keep on believing whatever Harper and his buddies tell you to. You'll be in great company and one of the "in" crowd.

The rest of use will actually use our minds and try to sort out this mess your messiahs in the PMO and the Whitehouse are making.



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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush