Middle Class Can't Afford Justice, Top Judge Says

Posted on Friday, March 09 at 08:13 by jensonj
"The Canadian legal system is sometimes said to be open to two groups — the wealthy and corporations at one end of the spectrum, and those charged with serious crimes at the other." The first group has money, and the second legal aid. She added a third group, families who can get legal aid when the welfare of children is at stake. But that still leaves average Canadians outside the system, McLachlin said. "Their options are grim: use up the family assets in litigation, become their own lawyers, or give up." People who represent themselves — 44 per cent of litigants in one court — pose a challenge to the courts, because they don't know the procedures. They cause delays and increase costs, for the public and for the other side. Lawyers and judges are making "modest progress" to help ease the pressure, she said. http://www.cbc.ca/consumer/story/2007/03/08/mclachlin-justice.html

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  1. Fri Mar 09, 2007 7:39 pm
    <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20061127131146589">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20061127131146589</a><p>---<br> [juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]<br />
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    "If only I could steal enough, to become honest"<br />
    Peter Seller in some or another movie role

  2. by Deacon
    Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:08 pm
    "But that still leaves average Canadians outside the system, McLachlin said. "Their options are grim: use up the family assets in litigation, become their own lawyers, or give up.""

    Or, as she neglected to mention, they can exercise "options" that are outside the legal system.

    It's a sad day for any nation when it has to come to that.


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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  3. Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:38 pm
    *It's a sad day for any nation when it comes to that.*

    Agreed! and for those with a mind for it they already know the *sad day* can be traced back to the Magna Carta and before.
    A different *sad day* was when men allowed themselves to have the wool puled over their eyes and sadder than that is the fact few will make the effort to to claim their rights.
    Remember, Ignorance of the law is no defence and knowledge can be gained to take back what *law* has stolen!

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    [juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]



    "If only I could steal enough, to become honest"
    Peter Seller in some or another movie role

  4. Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:18 pm
    Last week a case was described in the Globe&Mail that would make your hair curl. A pilot sued her employer for wrongful dismissal. It took 13 years and $450,000 to conclude this case in the pilot's favour.

    Who has that time and that money? Delay after delay after delay.

    I have some personal experience with the civil courts in Ontario. I had an iron-clad employment contract with a company, with performance standards, starting date, contract completion date, and bonus clause.

    After a year on the job the business was doing so well the owner sold it. 8 months later I was told by the new owners not to show up at the office, with no reasons given. I sued for breach of contract. 8 years later it still hasn't gone to court and the business has sought bankruptcy protection in the meantime. Justice???? The legal infrastructure is composed of the biggest bunch of charlatans imaginable. I think Shakespeare had it right: "First we kill all the lawyers".

    H.F. Wolff

  5. Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:19 pm
    Last week a case was described in the Globe&Mail that would make your hair curl. A pilot sued her employer for wrongful dismissal. It took 13 years and $450,000 to conclude this case in the pilot's favour.

    Who has that time and that money? Delay after delay after delay.

    I have some personal experience with the civil courts in Ontario. I had an iron-clad employment contract with a company, with performance standards, starting date, contract completion date, and bonus clause.

    After a year on the job the business was doing so well the owner sold it. 8 months later I was told by the new owners not to show up at the office, with no reasons given. I sued for breach of contract. 8 years later it still hasn't gone to court and the business has sought bankruptcy protection in the meantime. Justice???? The legal infrastructure is composed of the biggest bunch of charlatans imaginable. I think Shakespeare had it right: "First we kill all the lawyers".

    H.F. Wolff

  6. Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:50 pm
    "First we kill all the lawyers"

    Most of those sniveling politicians that get "elected" with much less than 1/4 of the vote ARE lawyers!

    No wonder they're so concerned about "terrorism" and "security" - they've become terrified of the people they are screwing with.

  7. Sun Mar 11, 2007 1:41 am
    R,

    You just may have a point there!

    The politicos are so afraid that the populace is beginning to see through the smokescreen and may do something.

    Hence all the eavesdropping and oversight.

    Astute observation!

    H.F. Wolff

  8. by Deacon
    Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:01 am
    Why do you think that the powers that be are so gung-ho for "gun control"?

    The last thing they want is the possibility of an armed insurrection in which the people take back by force that is is rightfully theirs.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  9. Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:03 am
    lawyers is quite impractical and some-what barbaric.

    Acquiring the knowledge that lawyers have, and we do not, seems to me to be a civilised route.


    That Lawyers, or Bankers, or Priests have the temperaments to take advantage of those who are vulnerable through ignorance should come as no surprise, should it?

    Ignorance of law allows the Bar Brothers a coin slot on our lack of knowledge.

    Profit from ignorance and misery and the lack of morality therein is quite acceptable from those who profit by it whereas the under class criminal is to be the target, or better said, the foil that covers the lesser morality of those of higher station.

    Sweet!
    How *organised crime* let this one get ahead of them boggles the mind!

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    [juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]
    DO NOT ADJUST YOUR MIND:
    IT IS REALITY THAT IS MALFUNCTIONING- R.A.W.

  10. by Deacon
    Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:26 am
    "Profit from ignorance and misery and the lack of morality therein is quite acceptable from those who profit by it whereas the under class criminal is to be the target, or better said, the foil that covers the lesser morality of those of higher station."

    I think that another POV, that takes the position that criminals are resources to be used by practitioners of law in the course of their trade, is a more valid one.

    That is why, in my opinion, the laws as they now stand take a dim view of defending yourself against criminals: you are damaging and potentially removing the resource (should you happen to kill them during the act of defending yourself) they use to both ply their trade and justify their existence.

    Why else would a criminal, whom you injured while they were attempting to break the law at your expense also be allowed to sue you for injuries?

    The only thing that makes sense is that actions like those add to the potential revenue that the resource can generate for the legal system and the legal vultures we call "lawyers".

    Myself I would, if I caught a criminal in my house, be tempted to kill them outright.

    Why?

    A conviction for manslaughter would cost me less than litigation would.

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    My definition of a waste of time: reasoning with Indy.

  11. Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:35 am
    "Myself I would, if I caught a criminal in my house, be tempted to kill them outright."


    Commandmens? What commandments?

    oh new sig is by George BURNS
    and he may be what with all those stogies and hotties

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    "And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."

    * George Bu

  12. Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:39 am
    PS when I speak of criminals I refere to the elected and the electors
    and I am probably of a sterner morality than the "religous"
    Kill the B&E artist but not the greater crook: poloticos

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    "And God said: 'Let there be Satan, so people don't blame everything on me. And let there be lawyers, so people don't blame everything on Satan."

    * George Bu

  13. by Deacon
    Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:42 am
    Nice try, but the fish aren't biting today.



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    My definition of a waste of time: reasoning with Indy.

  14. by Deacon
    Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:43 am
    "Kill the B&E artist but not the greater crook: poloticos"

    No, I'd just start with the B&E artist who broke into my home at 4 am, then work my way up the food chain.

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    My definition of a waste of time: reasoning with Indy.



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