Americans Don't See Canada As Terror Haven: Poll

Posted on Sunday, August 28 at 17:03 by whelan costen
Ekos conducted two focus groups in the American capital earlier this year with what it called "informed" U.S. citizens of higher-than-average socio-economic status. One group consisted of Democrats, the other of Republicans. Although the findings cannot be considered conclusive, "they provide a good initial overview of some of the attitudes that exist about Canada in the area of national security," Ekos said in its March 2005 report, obtained by The Canadian Press. [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on August 29, 2005] It continues...'On the other hand, misleading U.S. media reports about a porous Canadian border are driven by politicians in northern states reacting to their nervous constituents, Sands said.' Read the resthttp://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1125239465291&call_pageid=968332188492&col=968705899037&t=TS_Home&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes

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  1. Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:18 am
    CanadianAlly.com<br />
    <a href="http://www.canadianally.com/ca/about/myth-imm-en.asp">http://www.canadianally.com/ca/about/myth-imm-en.asp</a><br />
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    Myth Buster<br />
    Immigration<br />
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    Numerous myths exist in the United States regarding Canada’s immigration policies. <br />
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    Here are a few and the actual situation: <br />
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    TRUE FALSE <br />
    Anyone can immigrate to Canada: FALSE<br />
    Immigrants must meet the selection criteria for their category of immigration, and also meet security, criminality and medical requirements. The mix of immigrant categories and source countries of immigrants are different than the United States, but it is not easier to qualify to immigrate to Canada. <br />
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    Canada does not detain illegal immigrants: FALSE <br />
    The legal basis for detention in Canada is the same as the United States — however it is done on a smaller scale than in the US. People who are a danger to the public, a security threat or a flight risk may be detained in both countries. A front-end security screening decision is made before anyone is released in Canada.<br />
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    Canada has a large number of illegal immigrants: FALSE <br />
    While there are an estimated 8 million people in the United States without documents, there is no known similar number in Canada. The highest estimate would be in the order of 200,000, given the existing incentives to make yourself known to Canadian authorities.<br />
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    Some of the 9-11 Hi-jackers entered through Canada: FALSE <br />
    This is simply not true. Attorney General Ashcroft and Secretary Ridge, among others, have said this on a number of occasions. In fact, they had all been legally admitted to the United States.<br />
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    "None of the terrorists from the Sept. 11 carnage came to the United States through Canada to my knowledge. Each of them that I know of, and we've done considerable work to trace their activities, came to the United States directly. So we don't in any way want to suggest or reinforce or otherwise extend a myth which misperceives reality and the stubborn facts are that these individuals did not come to the United States through Canada." — Attorney General John Ashcroft, Dec 3, 2001<br />
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    Canada accepts too many refugees: FALSE <br />
    In 2003, we accepted 57% of refugee claimants, while the U.S. accepted 54% and more than one third of all of our refugee claimants enter Canada from the U.S.<br />
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    The United States should treat the Northern Border the same as the Southern Border: FALSE<br />
    There are significant differences in the size and scale of illegal activities between the northern and southern borders. As an example, the United States deported more than 108,000 Mexicans in fiscal year 2002 compared to 978 Canadians. The US Border Patrol intercepted some 900,000 people in FY 2003 on the southern border versus some 16,000 people in northern border sectors. In addition, 94% of the people apprehended by DHS were Mexicans. Similar statistics exist relating to narcotics smuggling. We believe that prudent risk management practices argue for different treatment on the borders commensurate with the threat.<br />
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    <p>---<br>Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.<br />
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    Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.<br />

  2. Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:13 am
    Ahmed Ressam.<br />
    <a href="http://www.canada.com/national/features/terrorist/index.html">http://www.canada.com/national/features/terrorist/index.html</a><br />
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    Khadar Family.<br />
    <a href="http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/alqaedafamily2.html">http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/khadr/alqaedafamily2.html</a><br />
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    Hamas Canada.<br />
    <a href="http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2003/Hamas-trained%20terrorist-%20Canadian%20national-%20arrest">http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Government/Communiques/2003/Hamas-trained%20terrorist-%20Canadian%20national-%20arrest</a><br />
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  3. Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:11 pm
    This is only an opinion poll. While people may not have a negative view of how we deal with terrorists and their supporters, the reality is that Canada does give the 'kid-glove' treatment to terror groups such as the Tamil Tigers.

    The Canadian government is failing Canadians, especially Canadians of Tamil-Sri Lankan heritage, by not outlawing this group. They continue to prey on the Tamil community to support terror or war operations in Sri Lanka. Allowing this situation to go on is not 'culturally sensitive' as it's being portrayed, it's morally and culturally ignorant.

    Many other terror groups operate in Canada too, raising money here to kill people elsewhere - allowing this to happen is a moral failing of Canadians.

  4. by RPW
    Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:09 pm
    So the problem would go away if the Sri Lankan government gave autonomy to the Tamil-controlled area of that nation.....? The way it is now, the Sri Lankan government is merely exporting its problems by refusing to do so.

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    RickW

  5. Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:54 pm
    We don't have to import problems regardless of what other groups or governments are doing, let them sort it out on their turf.

  6. Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:53 am
    >>Ahmed Ressam
    Khadar Family
    Hamas Canada<<

    That poster is exactly right..

    What this poll shows is that most Americans are woefully ignorant about Canada and the anti-American attitudes that have become so fashionable. The USA is a country that looks north with affection, but as this site demonstrates, Canada looks south with venom and resentment.

    That would change in a heartbeat if the USA got attacked through Canada. If Canada allowed itself to be used to attack the USA, through “turning a blind eye” or, more probably, hectoring our efforts to protect ourselves in your never ending, pathological need to assert yourselves, there will be consequences. For you to allow that to happen is the only real American “threat to your sovereignty”, not some deep integration myth.

    BTW, don’t you think the terrorists have thought of that as well? What better way is there of taking care of 2 adversaries then to set them against each other?

  7. Tue Aug 30, 2005 3:56 am
    >> The way it is now, the Sri Lankan government is merely exporting its problems by refusing to do so.<<

    So they should give in to terrorism?

  8. Tue Aug 30, 2005 7:05 am
    ""That would change in a heartbeat if the USA got attacked through Canada. If Canada allowed itself to be used to attack the USA""

    I think many Canadians are aware of what would happen if a terrorist entered the U.S. from Canada and caused deaths of Americans.

    I mean , just by refusing to go into Iraq , look how hated Canada has become to the current U.S. administration. Don't think the current trade troubles and the US unwillingness to resolve them ,aren't a direct result of that refusal? Regardless of how correct Canada was not to go in at that time?

    Think again.

    If they are willing to screw around with our economy out of sheer spite , then I have no doubt about what would happen if we actually gave them a reason to hate us.

  9. Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:27 pm
    The Mexico border, and the lax immigration policies, combined with the massive tourist industry, make Mexico a FAR FAR greater threat to america. Espeically in terms of terrorist getting accross. Not to mention the massive movment of illegal immigrants. Truth of the matter is, the USA and Canada both dont protect the border worth a damn. And no amount of money or people on the border will stop a determined terrorsit from getting through, if there was such a thing in the first place. The terror is manufactured by the elite to scare you into submission. I have lived on the border, and i know very well what the situation is. And the mexico side of the US border patrol is in even worse shape. All the scaremongering going on in the USA is depressing. Few people seem to understand the Hegelian Dilectic at all. Basic psychology is lost on people as their minds get clouded over by patriotic, "us against the world" bullshite.



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