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I agree nothing can be done about bad American cop by Canadians
I post this stuff to show a "Cop" mentality.
they consider themselves as "Brothers' and when one is killed in the line of duty theey send representative fron what ever country the "Brotherhood" is from
There was a retired RCMP rebuttal to the reaction of the murder by cop ona mental health warrant in the town where i live defending the actions the shooting.
Testosterone and Adrenaline are a deadly mix and to hear the former mountie tell it there was no other choice but to kill
Retired officer offers a response
February 17, 2008
I am writing this letter in response to a letter written by Alixe Miller in The Morning Star. The author was “extremely distressed” at the killing of Mr. Klim by the Vernon RCMP. The killing of a person by anyone is a distressing occurrence. I would like to attempt to answer some of the questions that were posed in the letter. The tone of the letter came across as criticism for the police members on scene, and this I can not tolerate from someone who obviously has never been in the kind of situation that happened that day.
I am a retired police officer who served 28 years in front line policing. While I was not there that day either I have been in many similar situations so I can respond to the questions in general terms.
Firstly the Mental Health Act provides several options for taking mentally ill persons to medical care. The strongest of these options is a Mental Health Act warrant. As a warrant was issued in this case it means someone, be it family or mental health workers, convinced a judge that the person was a great danger to himself or others. Only then are the police tasked with enforcing that warrant. If there was not a Mental Health person there when the warrant was executed it was probably because Mental Health had already tried to deal with Mr. Klim and failed.
As to why seven members were there to deal with the situation. The information given to the police probably indicated that Mr Klim was potentially dangerous enough to warrant that kind of response. I doubt that all the members were in the apartment. There is no sense in the police going to the front door only to have Mr. Klim escape out of a window. There would have to be at least two outside, probably three.
The police are there to execute a warrant. If no one will answer the door or the phone the police can not simply go away. They are obliged and empowered to gain entry somehow and execute the warrant.
“What was the rush to get in the apartment? To stop the man killing himself?” Yes, probably. The warrant would have been issued for precisely that reason. The kind of knife he was holding is irrelevant. A knife is a knife and it is a dangerous weapon if used as such. Why was it necessary that he drop the knife? What were the police going to do, allow him to take the knife to the hospital? It was necessary that he drop the knife so he could be safely taken to medical care.
Why didn’t the police rush him after he was tasered? Because he was still holding the knife? Let me make it perfectly clear that a person holding a knife is a deadly threat. One of the best ways to get yourself killed is to rush a person threatening you with a knife. Why was he even tasered at all? To try to get him to drop the knife so he could be taken to medical care.
Why did the police not wait him out? Because it had been deemed by someone other than, and more qualified than, the police that he was an immediate danger to himself or others. If the police had waited and the person had taken his own life while they were outside they would still have been criticized and rightly so. Talk him down? I have no doubt that the members there were talking to Mr. Klim before they tasered him and before he rushed them.
The police have a dangerous job. We employ, train, and qualify the police to do that job so let them get on with it. Police officers are dedicated, conscientious men and women who take pride in doing that job to the best of their ability. They generally don’t expect to or actually get any thanks from anyone for doing that job. But they should not have to take uninformed criticism from those who are not similarly trained and qualified. There will be an inquiry into this matter. It will make a judgement as to whether the police acted appropriately after examining all the facts and information available. Let us wait for the result of the enquiry before demanding answers and passing judgement.
It is against human nature to take a life and the consequences of doing so in this case are that the officer will probably experience nightmares and flashbacks for years to come. He, or she, will at some time almost certainly need professional counselling. I know of police officers whose careers have ended prematurely from the trauma of incidents like this. The officer had to make a decision in a split second that someone else will have the luxury of spending months examining to see if it was right or wrong.
I would like to take this opportunity to tell the family of Mr. Klim and the officer involved that my thoughts and sympathies are with you all.
Simon Danby
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake
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You could post stories about bad Chinese cops too if that's your goal.
The bottom line is that American cops are not Canadian cops, therefore you should be posting stories that show the Canadian cop mentality as it may (or may not) differ significantly from the American version.
If there are so few bad Canadian cops that there are no stories to post then that's a very good thing.
Judging by the photo, Garbarino was clearly beaten up, and it's obvious that the tape recorder was turned off to hide the beating.
"Garbarino faces trial on charges of DWI and hit and run driving. She will fight them in court, Miciotto said."
Here's the kicker, the cops are always above reproach even in the face of evidence showing otherwise, yet everyone else is assumed guilty when claimed to be so by a police officer.
<a href="http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=vp0gfkl00o">http://video.stumbleupon.com/#p=vp0gfkl00o</a><p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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<a href="http://mediafilter.org/cwdir/">http://mediafilter.org/cwdir/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/Copwatch">http://www.infoshop.org/wiki/Copwatch</a><br />
<a href="http://winnipegcopwatch.org/resources/other-organizations">http://winnipegcopwatch.org/resources/other-organizations</a><p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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<a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/tn83112t243x11w0/">http://www.springerlink.com/content/tn83112t243x11w0/</a> <br />
<a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=Sms2zfTVkLQC&pg=PT59&lpg=PT59&dq=increasing+police+violence&source=web&ots=M9STWB5-Q7&sig=BgFpJxfOFTToo58r4FlqHxRY5DY">http://books.google.com/books?id=Sms2zfTVkLQC&pg=PT59&lpg=PT59&dq=increasing+police+violence&source=web&ots=M9STWB5-Q7&sig=BgFpJxfOFTToo58r4FlqHxRY5DY</a> <br />
<a href="http://homelessnation.org/en/node/7672">http://homelessnation.org/en/node/7672</a><br />
<a href="http://educate-yourself.org/pnt/policeincreasingviolence02dec07.shtml">http://educate-yourself.org/pnt/policeincreasingviolence02dec07.shtml</a> <br />
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<a href="http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enCA255CA255&q=+police+brutality+%2B+Canada&meta">http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GGIH_enCA255CA255&q=+police+brutality+%2B+Canada&meta</a>= <br />
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<a href="http://apc.resist.ca/police_brutality.html">http://apc.resist.ca/police_brutality.html</a> <br />
The People's Inquiries into Police Violence<br />
On January 27th, 2005 the Anti-Poverty Committee hosted the first People’s Inquiry into Police Violence and Compliance. This event was the first in a series of public forums to discuss the reality of police violence in Vancouver and beyond, and the lack of justice available to people whose lives have been brutalized by police.<br />
We are continuing the series of forums throughout March, building on the success of the first forum, and the awareness around International Women’s Day, the International Day Against Police Brutality and the International Day Against Racism.<br />
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<a href="http://members.fortunecity.com/brutalitycanada/names.html">http://members.fortunecity.com/brutalitycanada/names.html</a> <br />
Brutality Canada<br />
Police Brutality O Canada<br />
Names of Victims of Police Brutality<br />
In Canada<br />
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<p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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If the problem is perceived as only a USA problem, then no one over in Canada will care or explore the issue any further.
The biggest problem seems to be with the RCMP. Is this also your perception?
There is, in m-notso-ho, based on what I've been told, these former members, an attitude that they must be respected and when their perception is that they do not receive respect they will beat it into you. My larger complaint is that we allow it.
Jim Kirwan in Days Of Protest & Rebellion is quite correct.
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake
Am I at a good place?
Brent
By Helena Bryan
Chances are that when someone with a mental illness ends up in the hands of police, he is suffering from one of what's known in law enforcement as the big three: depression, schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder. "These people used to be dealt with in the mental-health system; now they are left until police intervention is necessary," said Gary Glacken, executive director of the B.C. Schizophrenia Society, during a telephone interview with the Georgia Straight . "Jails have become the new asylums."
It's not a role the police have chosen, and the consequences are sometimes tragic. Although relatively few in number, the deaths make the headlines. In February 1997, Toronto police shot and killed Edmund Yu, a paranoid schizophrenic, who threatened officers with a hammer when they tried to handcuff him. In December 1999, an RCMP officer shot Donald Mayer as he lunged at police with scissors after being cornered in a Langley hospital. That same month, Sai Ming Wai, suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, was shot and killed by police in B.C. In August 2000, an RCMP officer shot and killed Norman Reid, who came at them with a hatchet when Newfoundland police tried to apprehend him. There were 13 such incidents in Canada between 1992 and 2002.
Whether or not they should be, the fact is that police are increasingly called on to intervene in situations of psychiatric crisis. A 2000 Canadian study estimates the time spent on such calls doubled from 1997 to 2000.
More troubling, over half the fatal police-shooting deaths in B.C. between 1980 and 1994 involved people with mental disorders, even though only 20 percent of Canadians experience mental illness during their lifetime. And 30 percent of these involved people with a history of schizophrenia, despite the fact that the disorder affects only one percent of Canada's population. (There are approximately 40,000 people with schizophrenia in B.C.)
Such tragedies could have been avoided, many judicial and mental health experts believe, if the officers involved had been better trained on how to handle calls involving the mentally ill. Overall, police handling of cases involving the mentally ill is inconsistent and unpredictable.
Two years ago, the Surrey RCMP detachment rolled out Car 67, a copycat of the Vancouver police department's Car 87 program, in which a core group of experienced officers team with veteran psychiatric nurses to take mental-health calls. "Before Car 67," said Surrey RCMP Insp. Amrik Virk by phone, "there were 497 different ways of handling these situations."
That is precisely the problem, according to an April 2004 report by the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP, which reviewed allegations of excessive force by RCMP officers when apprehending a young man with schizophrenia in October 2000. It recommended specialized training for all RCMP members and the development of national policy guidelines on mental-health crisis intervention.
It's one in a series of such recommendations. Inquests into all the aforementioned deaths--except the Reid case, which is still pending--also called on the RCMP to provide more training on how to respond to people suffering from mental illness.
But RCMP brass have not been receptive. As a result of the complaints commission report, they have reinstated specialized training for new recruits, a pilot program suspended in January 2004, but they are denying the need for such training for all members and for policy guidelines. In an official response from RCMP commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli to Shirley Heafey, chair of the complaints commission, Zaccardelli stated that policy is not the appropriate forum to provide guidance and that current training is more than adequate.
From her office in Ottawa, Sharron Ellis, senior communications officer for the complaints commission, said that although the commission applauded Zaccardelli for reinstituting training, it stands by its recommendation that all members should receive the program, especially those in the field.
Ellis cited the example of the officer who killed Norman Reid. "He had received three hours of training on dealing with the mentally ill 11 years before the shooting, and during the inquiry he said the incident would haunt him for the rest of his life. It's just not fair to ask our police officers to deal with these situations without proper training," Ellis said.
During an interview at his Cambie Street office, Chief Const. Jamie Graham of the Vancouver police department said he has both a personal and professional interest in ensuring his officers get appropriate training. "We work in a singular environment here," he said. "The Downtown Eastside is one of the most unique places in the world. There's no RCMP jurisdiction that compares to this one and that drives our training. The new phrase I'm using is socially relevant policing . The things we do have to be relevant to what's going on around us."
Graham's department is cited in the commission report, along with nine others, including Victoria, for having implemented training that recognizes the specific needs of people suffering from mental disorders.
It has also been commended for creating a pocket-size tips sheet for defusing situations involving people in psychiatric crisis. The bright-yellow card advises officers, among other things, to speak and move slowly, and to reassure the subject by saying things like "Take it easy" or "I'm here to help you." It's a departure from standard police-tactical training, which is action-oriented and based on quick response. "We've adopted current techniques used by the medical field," Graham said.
They are the techniques mental-health advocates, service providers, and consumers would like to see used more often. But until the RCMP adopts ongoing training programs, the positive outcomes resulting from a kinder, gentler approach may well depend on which police jurisdiction the person happens to be in at the time of crisis
THIS A VIDEO SHOWING VERNON POLICE AT THEIR FINEST HOUR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQuO-Fv63N4