Graphic Horror Of War

Let's not kid ourselves ethier. Those images are shocking, but Kassam Rockets are tipped with HE (High Expolsives) surrounded by steel shot, for maximum casualties.

Not to dilute kids writing messages on bombs that kill kids.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

Re: Not to dilute kids writing messages on bombs that kill kids<br />
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Are you referring to this?:<br />
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<a href="http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/2006/07/how_to_demonize.html">http://adloyada.typepad.com/adloyada/2006/07/how_to_demonize.html</a>

Yep. Thanks for more background on it. I suspected another story behind it.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

Why were the children allowed to get near the shells anyway? Does the IDF have some responsibility there?

Say, you guys make a good tag team. Do you live together?

>Why were the children allowed to get near the shells anyway? Does the IDF have some responsibility there?

As from the story - they were encouraged to write on the shells.

>Say, you guys make a good tag team. Do you live together?

Why, feeling lonely Sarge?

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

Most Israelis have bomb shelters, but if there are any images of torn apart Israelis on the net, provide a link.

I think the body count is 300 to 20 in Israel's favour right now, isn't it? I'm really not sure why Hezbollah even bothers, kind of like Hitler and his V-2 weapons at the end of WW2. Although in that case at least they diverted a lot of bombing tonnage away from his cities and the Normandy beachhead.

>As from the story - they were encouraged to write on the shells.

Really. So your telling me there was this pile of shells sitting there with no arty guys guarding it, and these reporters (and apparently kids parents) were allowed to crowd around and let the kids go to town with the magic markers?

...And that doesn't strike you as unusual? Rather unprofessional? Having served?

>Why, feeling lonely Sarge?

Don't flatter yourself, Batman. Your more amusing than work, but that's about the extent of it.


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“It does not matter if the war is not real, or when it is, victory is not possible. The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential

>Really. So your telling me there was this pile of shells sitting there with no arty guys guarding it, and these reporters (and apparently kids parents) were allowed to crowd around and let the kids go to town with the magic markers?

I'm not telling you Jack. I'm telling you what the linked story says. You're just jumping to conclusions on your own.

Yes, I would find it highly unusual not to have an arty unit standing nearby in case someone wants to be Wile E. Coyote and produces a hammer, but that isn't what the story states. The owners of the shells are not discussed.

>Your more amusing than work, but that's about the extent of it.

Yep. That's about the extent of my inbox too.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

>Most Israelis have bomb shelters, but if there are any images of torn apart Israelis on the net, provide a link.

There are, but not as many. Hezbolla has a much better PR firm. I'm sure your subscription to Google is just as up to date as mine.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

My point is, the story has obvious holes in it the size of a 155mm shell, namely, no IDF artillery unit would let a crowd of civvies surround their shells and let kids write on them without pulling out the M-16's and putting some rounds over people's heads. No way.

UNLESS THEY LET THEM DO IT.

They either LET IT HAPPEN, which is horrible and unprofessional and disgusting, and completely re-enforces the picture,

Or the shells are fakes, or were somehow procured for the photo without the army's permission.

They look real enough to me, though.

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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

"UNLESS THEY LET THEM DO IT."

I thought that part obvious. Hatred breeds hatred. Doesn't matter which side it is, they both do it, and have been for milennia.

I wasn't arty, so I don't know if those detonators are real or not, but they do look real (and live) enough. It wouldn't be that hard for the camera to avoid troops and adults.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

That is the most lame thing I have read from you Doc.<br />
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The media has been rather one-sided in this whole affair. Yet the numbers speak for themselves. Half of the Israeli casualties are soldiers. Now well over 300 Lebanese civilians have been killed. This is not about Hezbollah having a better PR team, it's the GDT.<br />
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Now Lebanon's president has come right out and said - "We will fight invaders". Why will the Lebanese government side with HZ? Read his interview on CNN (also notice the crappy reporting by the interviewer repeating the same old Western crap)<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/21/cnna.lahoud/index.html?section=cnn_latest">http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/21/cnna.lahoud/index.html?section=cnn_latest</a><br />
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Israeli over-aggression has driven the Lebanese people into Hezbollah's hands. They know HZ was instrumental in booting out the last Israeli invasion, and they will now stand alongside them again. These groups don't like one another inside Lebanon, but look at their response to the Israeli attacks as your best clue to the true barbarity taking place. <br />
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HZ needs to come to a peace agreement that's a given, but their actions do not justify the collective punishment being meted out by Israel. This is no longer a tooth for a tooth - they are systematically destroying an entire country.<p>---<br>If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

They did let them do it. Notice the use of pictures - one framed to block out the soldiers(earlier link) then there is this view which clearly shows the mobile artillery unit watching it all take place,not to mention the parents standing by while it's happening.<br />
<a href="http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea">http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/060717/481/c8723701e8f644f0b5befd7df750e8ea</a><p>---<br>If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

Thanks for the link to what we all suspected was always the case, Roy.

It's just wrong on so many levels.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden