Target Eyes HBC

Posted on Monday, August 16 at 09:21 by N Say

"The only successful concept to work against Wal-Mart has been Target," retail consultant Richard Talbot said Friday. He said Zellers has already been trying to use some of Target's techniques, increasing the size of its stores and offering more designer fashions than its American rival.

But while Zellers has been holding its own, it hasn't been growing and probably needs a "quantum leap," Talbot said.

"Target, in my mind, is an absolutely perfect fit for Canada. It's a slightly more upscale Wal-Mart. So it appeals to a wider range of customers and it's has a little bit of a cachet to it."

While neither Target nor HBC commented on rumoured talks between the companies, shares of Hudson's Bay Co. rose five per cent Friday to their highest point in 2½ years after a report that a deal could be imminent.

Hudson Bay's stock has been on the upswing for more than a year, bolstered by profitable if lacklustre results and speculation that Canada's oldest company, owner of the Bay and Zellers chains, could be a takeover target.

"I think there's obviously a takeover premium in the stock," said George Hartman, an analyst with Dundee Securities.

HBC stock got its latest boost from a report on Friday, citing unidentified sources, that Target is in advanced talks to buy part or all of Hudson's Bay Co., a 334-year-old icon that traces its history to the fur trade.

It was said Target might offer $16 to $16.50 per share for HBC, or up to $1.14 billion. Target's real target would likely be some of the bigger locations in the 348-store Zellers discount chain.

Zellers has recently been the laggard in the HBC group, which also includes 99 higher-end Bay department stores and 45 Home Outfitters home-decorating big boxes.

Hudson's Bay stock (TSX:HBC) closed at $15, up 75 cents or 5¼ five per cent, after hitting $15.30 during Friday's session - the first time since April 2002 that it had topped $15.

Target (NYSE:TGT) was up $1.04 to $42.94 US on the New York Stock Exchange.

A spokesman for the largest shareholder in Hudson's Bay, American businessman Jerry Zucker, said his company has never had discussions with Target and was surprised by the attention paid to the news report.

"I think it was essentially a rehash of rumours I've heard for a number of years," Robert Johnston said from North Charleston, S.C.

Johnston said Zucker's U.S.-based InterTech Group and Canadian-located Maple Leaf Heritage Investments have been in frequent talks with Hudson's Bay Co. as the company's largest shareholder.

"We've told them what our objectives are. We may buy more stock, we may sell some and, depending on how things go, we may make a tender (offer) for all (the shares.) What we've told them is essentially the same we've said in public."

Johnston stressed that Zucker is a strong supporter of Hudson's Bay Co. and its management, and considers the retailer's stock undervalued.

Minneapolis-based Target recently sold its Marshall Field's stores and will soon complete the sale of its Mervyn's stores. The two transactions will bring $5.3 billion US to Target, which continues to own 1,272 Target and SuperTarget discount stores in 47 states.

On Thursday, Target vice-chairman Gerald Storch told analysts that "we all believe at some point - I don't know if that's five years, 10 years or who knows when - Target will be international as a retailer. But we will do that only when we find the appropriate vehicle for accomplishing that."

Analysts say that if the Zellers stores are sold, Target is the natural buyer and probably wouldn't face a challenge from any other bidder.

"A certain number of Zellers stores are designed almost exactly like, if not exactly like, Target stores," said Dundee's Hartman.

"I'm sure Target would be very successful here. I'm sure they could certainly exceed Zellers' productivity and return."

While Wal-Mart is the undisputed leader in attracting cost-conscious shoppers, Target appeals to more style-conscious buyers.

"You're getting some degree of glamour," Dundee's Hartman said, "but you're getting something at a reasonable price that has a degree of fashion content."

from CBC

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  1. Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:35 pm
    So Zellers needs an upscaling, and we the people lose another Canadian owned company so we can shop upscale,don't we already have higher end stores?

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  2. Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:17 pm
    The Bay has been owned (18%) by one American investor for some time now . . . I don't remember a big kerfuffle over that.<p> <p>---<br>"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill <br />

  3. Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:01 am
    The best thing to do is to bring back Simpson's,Eatons, Towers,Woodwards then kick Sears & Walmart out of Canada for good & not allow any more US based dept store to set up shop here.You don't see any Canadian department stores operate in the US at all-do you?.

  4. Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:25 am
    Yes, actually there was. It was posted on vive back when vive users seemed to take an interest in solvable problems. Now vive is all about propogating communist/socialist utopian nonsence.

    You regulars don't know what you stand for. You subscribe to a site that purports to halt the disasterous levels of foreign ownership currently prevailing the Canadian economy; yet when an economic and cultural institution of a Canadian company, HBC, is on the verge of being bought out by the Yanks, you barely muster a yawn-or worse respond with some marxist dribble. No wonder anyone takes Canadian nationalists seriously. If vive is the best voice we have, Canada is surely done. Thankfully, though, it is not. There are far more thoughtful and intelligent nationalists out there.

  5. Tue Aug 17, 2004 3:04 am
    If Target buys HBC, wouldn't that mean Target could be on its way here? If so, let's do as much as we can to keep them out of Canada and focus on somehow creating new Canadian department store chains.

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  6. Tue Aug 17, 2004 4:39 pm
    We know exactly what we stand for. A Canadian government which enforces Canadian ownership of our own mixed economy. Some foreign ownership is o.k., but when our economy is owned by a majority of foreigners, (USA) then that`s just like letting your next door neighbour run your household finances.

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  7. Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:10 pm
    These posts are mostly just emotional nonsense. The Bay may have been a Canadian icon but I bet very little of its merchandise is of Canadian origin. It is just a shell of its former self and a poor place to shop. I bet it will improve under Target.
    Come on people, its just a store!

  8. Wed Aug 18, 2004 1:09 am
    I couldn't disagree with you more, anonymous. The Hudson's Bay Company is part of our heritage long before Canada was even formed. It's not just a store. And, in our struggle to remain a soverign nation, it is an icon that we hold close. I don't see why you should criticize our determination to be more than just "Canada, as subsidiary of the U.S."

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  9. Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:25 am
    I agree Darren, and the comment above that it's just a store is simplifying the entire issue, it's just oil, it's just our trade issues, it's just another war....it is never just when it comes to our sovereignty. To the other anon, that chooses to insult rather than add to the discussion, I say thanks, we've heard it all before but at least we are discussing which is more than goes on in many situations.

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  10. Wed Aug 18, 2004 5:38 am
    you see ... it may be just a store ... but its the concept that we dont own it anymore ... its the oldest company in the world and once owned 10% of the planet's surface

    Canadians are too apathetic to care and we have to compensate with an over nationalistic attitude

  11. Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:58 pm
    This rumour has gone around before and may again.

    The fact is that Bay/Zellers management, while doubtless maintaining their wages and 'perks', have not been able to keep up with the times or develop a successful strategy to deal with stores like Wal-Mart. Many who may have preferred to shop at Zellers have been turned off through the years for a number of reasons directly resulting from Zellers ineptitude at managing and stocking their stores.

    This isn't purely a Canadian condition. Many U.S. retailers have also been caught 'sitting on their laurels' believing that because people have shopped at their business for many years, they'll continue to do so out of loyalty with few if any changes being required from the retailer.

    Let's say it was possible to enact legislation preventing expansion of Wal-Mart type stores into Canada, or aquisition of Canadian retailers by foreign interests. All that would end up happening is Canadian consumers being left to the mercy of incompetently run Canadian retailers, trying to squeeze the most profit out of relatively shoddy foreign made or Canadian made goods, as is currently the case with Zellers.

    Those close enough to the border would be cross-border shopping whenever circumstances and the value of the Canadian dollar allowed.

    Years ago I tried to shop Canadian. I eased off on this through the years due to many experiences in which it seemed apparent that many Canadian companies were using the 'shop Canadian' concept to pawn off poorly made goods at a premium price.

    One of the difficulties is that North American companies can only compete in many areas on the basis of offering quality goods at a higher price than their foreign made counterparts, and either nobody wants quality anymore or the foreign goods also offer quality at a lower cost.





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  12. Thu Apr 07, 2005 2:54 am
    As an employee of HBC I would like to say that I am appalled by people in my community that absoutely needed a department store and finally got one and now they abuse the employees that work there. Now with that said HBC needs to make some improvements with their stock and policies and they are currently trying to do that. Although they do need some outside input. Productive critism or ideas they have been asking the community for their input but they only get the bad or worse. We need to know what we are doing well not just what we are doing wrong. If Target does buy us out it will not be the end of the world we should see some of the prices coming down seeing more Canadians saving some of that hard earned money. What's the difference we all shop at Sears, Wal-Mart, Canadian Tire, Dollarama and Giant Tiger. It doesn't matter who owns the company it's how much we have to spend for the quality and quantity of things that we want. We as Canadians have made our beds now we do have lie in it. We let the Americans make us dependent on them. There is no one else to blame but us. So we should stop complaining save money where we can and fight for what is right which would be our independence from other countries. We are way too passove and look where its gotten us. As an employee of HBC if becoming a different company would make my loyal customers happy and completely satisfied then that is what is best to do. I have faith in my superiors they are Canadians and they will do what is best for Canadians.

  13. by avatar Spud
    Thu Apr 07, 2005 1:53 pm
    We don`t need anymore stores.Way too many as it is.What are people actually buying?How many shirts,socks,pants,towels do people need?Perhaps buying is an addiction?

  14. Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:57 pm
    I don't like the fact that HBC the Canadian own company being bought out by the Americans. The only reason is we need some Canadian own businesses and we need to expand across the border to America (as said above). Their has been the American stores coming up to Canada but nothing going down there. Also the profits will be going down to America from what they make from us if HBC becomes American.

    If HBC gets bought out by an American company I will say good riddence and never shop in one of their stores again and shop somewhere that is Canadian or better value.

    The reason why Zellers is doing poorly is because the variety, Wal-mart has better variety and customer service than Zellers and alot bigger. The Bay needs to advertise more about their stores, same with the other stores owned by HBC.



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