Should Canada Hold The Next Sovereignty Referendum?

Posted on Tuesday, November 09 at 10:18 by gaulois
Canada is losing confidence. The amount of internal bickering is increasing: east/west&north/south, urban/rural, provinces/confederation, rich/poor, multiculturalism&bilingualism policy, treatment of First Nations and La Francophonie, etc… There is bickering too over our relationships with the rest of the world: the US, free trade and NAFTA, globalization, foreign aid, peace stance and terrorism. And finally there is more bickering at the individual level on personal moral matters such as abortion, gay marriage, and decriminalization of marijuana and prostitution. Combine the above with a lack of political leadership, the fear of upsetting our neighbors south, the preoccupation with media and posturing at the expense of effective governance, as well as out of control bureaucracies, the result is a complete deadlock and a disfranchised population.

We are falling behind and the population is further losing confidence. Breakup solutions look more appealing to many and Canadian sovereignty is threatened: the Democracy does not seem to work somehow?

Could Democracy contain its own Solution to its Problems?
Our recent experiences with the democracy of political party systems seem to simply reflect divisions without really solving them. Our experience with direct democracy through people assembly remains limited: electoral reform is one initiative in progress but is unlikely to help in a near future. The direct democracy of a national plebiscite has seldom been used: the 1942 referendum conscription also reflected a division.

Quebec happens to be one of our provinces with the most visible internal divisions. It has so far held two sovereignty referendums and is now considering a third one. The divided outcome of the last one did not solve anything under the shadow of this federal sponsorship scam. Some sort of a Cold War prevails to this day. The amount of bickering in and out of Quebec is similarly steadily increasing along with the uncertainties. Many are taking advantage of this dire situation for the usual political gains.

Could Canada not run the next sovereignty referendum and help resolve our deadlocks this time around? Most critically, could such a referendum give us back the confidence we need to solve our problems and better identify common ground? The Quebec sovereignty issue would only be one amongst other Canadian sovereignty issues.

Learning from our Neighbors
Assuming the US election was been won fair and square (this remains to be validated!), we have seen a political system returning to an alignment of the Church and the State. The impact of this on Democracy looks suspect at the least. Perhaps the political system was not sufficiently responsive to personal or ideological beliefs and the situation was taken advantage of by devious minds. We note deep divisions in between the “heartland” and the older established areas. We have heard that these ballots did often couple personal/ideological decisions to the ones of selecting public officials. We could head too that way and rely on something close to radical fundamentalism to solve complex problems. But the land of the good mannered people does things differently.

We have an opportunity in Canada through a sovereignty referendum to decouple the governance of the state from religious, ideological and even political matters. We can certainly vote too on more than one issue at a time, but without electing public officials. We can show that we can count ballots and can direct our politicians to become the servants of the People. Call this the People Public Partnership for which we entrust our political appointees to become the custodians of our state until the next election! We need to catch up and make our officials focused and accountable on effective governance. Does this not sound like real sovereignty?

A Canadian Sovereignty Referendum, eh?
First of all, such a referendum is not going to resolve all the divisions but would represent a step in the right direction. The personal and ideological matters seem a good area to stake some ground in. Ten short True/False simple questions would be submitted:

1. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to not engage our state whatsoever in the weaponization of space.
2. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to recognize gay marriage.
3. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to give women the right over abortion.
4. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to decriminalize marijuana similarly to liquor and cigarette.
5. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to decriminalize prostitution.
6. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to give provinces the right of sovereignty.
7. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to maintain and revise it multiculturalism policy. Otherwise scrap.
8. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to maintain and revise it bilingualism policy. Otherwise scrap.
9. As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to maintain and revise First Nations communities minority protection rights granted in the 1867 Canada act. Otherwise scrap.
10.As Canadians, we are directing our public officials to maintain and revise La Francophonie communities minority protection rights granted in the 1867 Canada act. Otherwise scrap.

This draft version of the questions would be further revised by a Citizen assembly. The revision would be submitted to the House of Commons by a political party responsive to Direct Democracy efforts. The referendum would be conducted nationally in a timely manner.

The results would be compiled and available on a provincial basis, on a national basis, on an Anglophone/Francophone basis and on a First Nation/non First-Nation Canadian citizenship basis. The results would identify for instance if First Nations or Anglophone Canadians residing in a province are prepared to give the sovereignty right to that province. Federal and provincial public officials would become accountable to make progress in accordance to the people will. Canada has a good story, should be proud of it and have confidence in itself. Should Quebec or any other provinces ever decide to hold their own sovereignty referendum, the decision for wanting to separate would be a well informed one made by the People, as it should be.

'Gaulois' generally publishes politically biting satires on the Canadian Internet space. He is also relearning to write in French out of his Vancouver home base after a telecom and tech sector career in Western Canada. You can provide your feedback at rbeaulieu@canada.com.

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  1. Tue Nov 09, 2004 6:32 pm
    Nothing in your 10 referendum questions would contirbute to or guarantee Canadian sovereignty. It would only make us a more liberal democracy that should embrace differences of opinion and practices. A democracy that would be flexible and adaptable to the desires of all regions and all citizens ( even those that would prefer not to declare blind allegiance or those that do not support the issues you address).

  2. Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:13 pm
    We as Canadians demand that universal public health care be expanded and improved upon as stated in the Romanow Report! We as Canadians demand the scrapping of NAFTA and forge a FAIR TRADE agreement with the USA! We as Canadians demand that provinces DO NOT have any more autonomy than they do now, for Canada is greater than the sum of it`s parts! We as Canadians demand that marijuana and hashish be legalized in the same fashion as alcohol, for we know that prohibition does not work! We as Canadians demand that atleast 60% of the Canadian economy must be Canadian owned! We as Canadians demand that our elected officials grow a backbone, stand up for Canada, quit selling us out, and quit conjuring up things like 'western alienation' or 'Quebec separatism' or any new found (pun intended) tools of division and conquest! And I, as a proud Canadian, challenge those of you, who suffer from a decreased confidence, to study deeply Canadian history and politics, and see that where we`ve been as a people and a country has been for the most part extra-ordinary for such a young country with a relatively small population. And in seeing this, realize, who it is, that wish to see this great experiment in altruistic statehood, destroyed! Then surely, it will compel you to fight against what history will one day call one of the greatest acts of theft, treason, and criminally induced poverty and decay! Did our soldiers fight only to see corporate fascists turn the majority Canadians into serfs on their own land?

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    Dave Ruston

  3. Tue Nov 09, 2004 11:05 pm
    I couldn't say it better, Dave.

    Right On !!


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    "Arrogance is unacceptable. Do it to my face, and I will react" - Jim Callaghan

  4. Wed Nov 10, 2004 12:13 am
    "We as Canadians demand that our elected officials grow a backbone, stand up for Canada, quit selling us out, and quit conjuring up things like 'western alienation' or 'Quebec separatism' or any new found (pun intended) tools of division and conquest!"

    Would a Canadian Sovereignty referendum be such a tool of division and conquest? I dare say "Not" if we have confidence in this country. I do.

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    "We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  5. Wed Nov 10, 2004 1:11 am
    And how do your translate these demands through some positive actions? I do not think the political party system and the granularity of how we vote allowes for that. Don't think that Proportional Representation will make a difference either. We need to take control and use whatever tools are available to do so.

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    "We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  6. Wed Nov 10, 2004 2:11 am
    You're a respectful guy, gaulois, but I think you're way off base here.

    This article suggests Canada is "deeply divided." Personally I think this is spin. Sure there is an "urban vs. rural" thing, but most people live in cities, (80%) so there is less division than it would seem.

    As for provincialism--peopl cling to that in smaller provinces when times are tough, because they think the "big prvonce of Ontario" gets it all. Truth is Ontario (mostly Toronto) gets screwed more than any other area of Canada, based on wealth creation, and distrubtion per capita. But Torontonians avoid small-minded separatism, and are actually (I personally guarantee this) MUCH more openly patriotic than they were 15 years ago.

    It is stated that Quebec is "headed for another referendum." Well, unfortunately referendums are still allowed on this issue, but Landry is so unconfident of winning another referendum that his boy Parizeau embarrassed them all by suggesting a UDI wituout a vote. :) Youth support for separatism is DOWN, according to PQ surveys--but the media won't usually tell you this.

    It is stated the "last referendum solved nothing," but if you read the question that Quebecers were asked--they were NOT divided on a question of separation, the question talked about "renegotiating a more facourable agreement," and of course no loss of citizenship, territory, higher taxes, etc.

    I think we need to ensure the uninformed don't vote Quebec into extinction and Canada into a mess.

    All in all--it's not that bad. Separatism is self-defeating. We're still a rich coutnry, with untapped political clout.

  7. Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:27 am
    I have thought about the fact that to become Canadian you have to take a test and pass. Well, I think that in order to vote you should also have to take a test. Right in the voting line. Like the gong show.

  8. Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:19 am
    Perturbed: you look worried about kicking the tire on Democracy. Are you worried that Quebecois would be given free reigns to separate after such a proposed referendum?

    I think Canada owes it to its citizens to sort out clear and loud if the First Nations and Anglophones residing in Quebec are prepared to give the right for provinces to become sovereign. Once this data is known, Quebecois will have to carefully think through the impact of voting through a separation that two of their key minority groups disagree with. I do not think a Quebec provincial referendum would ever deal up front with this very real issue. I do not think that the Constitution is the place to solve this matter either. A Canada based referendum is the best place to do this.

    You were the one that brought up the issue of "minorities" (or multiculturalism) undermining Democracy. This article was in fact mainly written for responding to your concerns which I felt were valid. My main point really was that Canada needs to show confidence and find the common ground. If it was confident, there would not be so much bickering. If the majority of canadians think that Canada should not provide for bilingualism, multiculturalism, La Francophonie and First Nations minorities, then it should made it clear so that we can move on. Politicians and bureaucrats have abused for too long the uncertainties of not having a clear statement of will by the population. The same goes on for these personal ideology matters I was suggesting to probe on.

    Canada cannot keep Quebec by force or by denial and expect to remain a successful country. I too would infinitely regret if they separated but it would not be the end of the world, if they did so for right reasons. It took me a long time to come to that.

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    "We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  9. Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:21 am
    The other advantage too of Canada holding this referendum is that it can ask very clear and simple questions. No spin.

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    "We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  10. Wed Nov 10, 2004 9:22 am
    We also need to keep the politicians out of this. No scam either.

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    "We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  11. Wed Nov 10, 2004 3:44 pm
    Gaulois,

    I think this is a good idea. I too would not only like to see the citizens of Canada take more responsibility for our decisions but clearing the air does get rid of threats and fear-manipulated politics.

  12. Wed Nov 10, 2004 4:48 pm
    You people are insane. Direct democracy? hehe


    I also think you're being unfair to Perturbed. PErturbed said POLTICAL CORRECTNESS was a threat to democracy--not MULTICULTURALISM.

    Economic issues are NUMBER ONE in importance. The right to separate equals the right to be dominated even more by the US, don't be naive.

  13. Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:11 pm
    Dave,
    This rant is exactly the same mentality that elected GW as president. When we feel fearful, challenged or hard-done-by, we retreat to the familiar. The familiar health care system that Romanow's report really doesn't want to change (just throw money at), a familiar defense strategy that doesn't consider the world we live in, a federation of regions that really hasn't served any very well for almost 50 years. The fact that Americans are retreating to traditonal (described as religious but not really) territory in their values will be reflected in their foreign and economic policies in the future. A scrapped NAFT, a scrapped defense agreement ... and a sovereign Canada and Canadians can kiss the standard of living, including healthcare, goodbye. The future without the Americans in our faces is more dangerous and will be far less comfortable for us (and the world) than the unpleasantness of the current circumstances.
    The reality is, that sovereignty exists because of the rule of law and the ability to enforce it - not because of some dated values.

  14. Wed Nov 10, 2004 6:14 pm
    Increasing Canadian sovereingty seems to be the focus on this site. Real sovereignty starts in people's head. Suboordinating everything to the Economy (&its bureaucrats) means loss of sovereingty. Think of NAFTA. Perhaps I should have included dismantling NAFTA within this sovereingty referendum. Make sure you check the thread on the Canadian Constitution and brainwashing. <ul> http://www.vivelecanada.ca/forum/viewtopic.php?forum=3&showtopic=4168 </ul> <br> No you can't have functional multiculturalism if it keeps getting choked by political correctness. <br><p>---<br>"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"



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