BBC Reality Check - Travelling With The Taleban

Posted on Friday, October 27 at 08:37 by bracewell
......The trucking companies, who backed them first in 1994 when they emerged to clear illegal checkpoints on the roads, are now backing them again. This time the checkpoints are manned by Afghan government soldiers, who demand money at gunpoint from every driver.
...... The Taleban official spokesman, Mohammed Anif, explained: "When the Islamic movement of the Taleban started in the first place, the main reason was because of concern among people about corruption. People were fed up with having to bribe governors, and other authorities. We rose up and saved almost the whole country from the evils of corruption and corrupt commanders. That's why people are supporting the Taleban again now."
......The Taleban disappeared to the mountains after their defeat in 2001, and found it hard to recruit. Five years on they are back, and regrouping against an old enemy.
......It is hard for Nato to promote its mission as humanitarian given the civilian casualties. In a village damaged by a British attack, some people were too angry to talk to me because I was British. One merely pointed to the torn and bloody women's clothing left in the ruins of the house and said bitterly, "Are these the kind of houses they have come to build - the kind where clothing is cut to pieces?".
......They fear for the homes and farms they have left behind, and while not active Taleban supporters, it is clear that most blame NATO more for the worsening violence.
......One man said the Taleban have most to gain in the continuing conflict. "It's very obvious. Right now we see foreigners with tanks driving through our vineyards. They destroy people's orchards. They break through the walls and just drive across. When they take up positions in the village like this, nobody can cooperate with them."
......Taleban morale is bolsterd by the history of Afghanistan's past victories over the British (1842 & 1880) and Russians (1980’s).

60 civilians said killed in Afghanistan
......Kandahar provincial council member Bismallah Afghanmal said 80 to 85 civilians were killed in fighting. The civilian deaths would be the highest caused by Western forces since the U.S.-led invasion in 2001. The Afghan Defense Ministry was investigating, NATO said.
......"An investigation has no meaning," said Afghanmal. "These kinds of things have happened several times, and they only say 'Sorry.' How can you compensate people who have lost their sons and daughters?"

‘A lot of nervousness’ about British deal in Afghanistan, says US
......British troops pulled out of the Musa Qala district in the southern Afghan province of Helmand about a week ago, following a request from war-weary residents. The US ambassador to Afghanistan has questioned Britain’s deal to pull out of a previously insurgency-hit town, saying there is “a lot of nervousness” about it. “There is a lot of nervousness about who the truce was made with, who the arrangement was made with, and whether it will hold.” It was the first time the NATO force had moved out of a district following a deal with residents.
...... Neumann also said that an analysis carried out by the United States and NATO this summer indicated that local tribes in parts of Helmand were siding with the Taleban because of frustration over bad local governance.

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  1. Fri Oct 27, 2006 6:56 pm
    The war is showing its ugly head.

  2. Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:56 am
    Right now we see foreigners with tanks driving through our vineyards. They destroy people's orchards. They break through the walls and just drive across. When they take up positions in the village like this, nobody can cooperate with them." <<

    The Taleban is what they can relate to. The foreigners trust no one, understand no one and yet claim to be a friend. The Taleban is from/of the Afghani culture and speaks in words understood. Western values are an infliction and strange to those in the middle east. The harder the westerner trys to force their ways on them, the more support the Taliban will get. Hopefully when 100% goes to the support of the Taleban, Westerners will get the hint and quit dying for no cause.


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  3. Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:41 am
    more of the same and it will continue in the ILLEGAL invasion.<br />
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    <a href="http://english.people.com.cn/200610/27/eng20061027_315455.html">http://english.people.com.cn/200610/27/eng20061027_315455.html</a> <br />
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    Roundup: Afghan official, witness say 85 civilians killed by NATO air strike<br />
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    At least 85 civilians were killed by a NATO air strike in a village of the southern Kandahar province of Afghanistan, an Afghan official and a witness told Xinhua on Thursday.<br />
    <p>---<br>Diogenes said:<br />
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

  4. Sat Oct 28, 2006 5:58 pm
    This could be part of the massacre I was predicting a while ago that would be taking place (where's Dr Caleb on this???). The MO is to use "shock and awe" when all else fails, and all else HAS failed miserably. There's simply nothing left to do but to become even more brutal, either that or "cut and run". However, as we've seen in Iraq, shock and awe has shown itself to be a miserable failure, but these people don't seem to learn from their mistakes, many will die for nothing, and NATO will cut and run in the end - it's just a question of time.

  5. Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:37 am
    Actually, the mass killings is normal business as usual. <br> <br> Anyone remember this nonsense early in the war? <br> <br> <a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1129-02.htm">Allies Justify Mass Killing of Taliban Prisoners in Fort</a> <br> <br> At that time, the attackers thought they could do anything and no one would care. <blockquote>Britain and the US were facing growing international pressure last night to explain their role in the deaths of up to 400 Taliban prisoners who were killed by US warplanes and Northern Alliance fighters at a fortress outside the northern Afghan town of Mazar-i-Sharif.</blockquote> <blockquote>In an unrelated incident, earlier today the Pentagon announced that during the drop of humanitarian aid on Afghanistan, a woman and a child had been killed when a load landed on their house.</blockquote> <blockquote>The criticism of the bombing comes amid growing British disquiet at the tough language adopted by the US defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, who said America was "not inclined to negotiate surrenders" and that he hoped al-Qaida forces would "either be killed or taken prisoner". "Belligerence is not helpful," a British defense source said. A 1977 protocol to the Geneva convention makes it illegal "to order that there shall be no survivors".</blockquote>



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