UK Officer Slams US Iraq Tactics

cultural ignorance? self-righteousness? this coming from, of all, people an Englishman in regards to probably the most cosmopolitan nation and race of people in the 1st world, the United States of America? Has this English general ever been to Los Angeles County (10 million people from every corner of the earth), Chicago, Houston, and what is without a doubt the most multicultural megacity on earth New York? This Englishman has the audacity to lecture Americans on cultural sensitivity?!!

Baghdad is not LA is not Calcutta is not Leeds. He's saying when in Iraq, people should know it's not polite to touch someone elses' wife, or wear a t-shirt that says in Arabic 'Pork, the other white meat.', things of that nature. That Englishman can obviously offer you some advice on Cultural Sensitivity.

(Waiting for one of you witty replies, like "F U")


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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

FU...

how the F dare you take it upon yourself to lecture and make far reaching negative generalizations regarding a people who have far more guts, class,experience and intelligence than you'll ever have you supercilious fraud.

the united states has managed to become the worlds sole super-power...militarily,economically,culturally. it has 300+million people vs 30+million canada; it has a level of racial,ethnic and religious intergration that puts canada and it's figure-head governor-general to shame.

choke on it.

Speaking of ignorant. Who made the generalizations? You. Who was I speaking of, who needed the additional cultural information? You. I was not speaking of a broad class or general country, just about you.

You probabally have no idea the cultural significance of a Muslim sharing salt with you. You took what could have been a learning experience, and turned it into another 'you're just another anti-american' rant. I made no statement, nor implication towards anyone but *you*. News flash: *You* are not the United States of America.

How dare you say I don't have the guts, when you won't even sign in and stand by your words anymore. And yet you have the balls to use the title 'Right Honourable'.

Religious integration. Bull----. Try being from the mid east, brown and Muslim and living in the US since 9/11. And Canada does not 'integrate' it's immigrants. We share in our differences.

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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

you have absolutely, positively NO idea what you are speaking about. NONE,ZERO,NADA,THE BIG DONUT...

i live in one of the most cosmopolitan cities on earth, much bigger than toronto. i was born,raised, and educated in neighborhoods and schools that were EXTREMELY diverse (i was a "minority",) and would put most of canada,including many parts of toronto or montreal, to shame. my own ethnic background is very mixed. i have NEVER lived anyplace where i was a conspicuous majority. all i've ever known is being around many people different from me. that's why i'm soo comfortable about being honest and treating people "different" from me like they were "one of my kind."

my employer is multi-national (offices on every continent, many in canada) and my fellow employees are from all over the world,literally,including canada. i just helped a <dark,brown muslim LOL!> from turkey with his immigration papers throught the canadian immigration services at the consulate in buffalo.he has family there but he wants to use it as a stepping stone to the usa. i work intimately with 3 people on a regular basis, one is a young muslim guy (american born,accented and raised), who is also my friend. i talk about these posts on occassion and we discuss them. he laughs and corrects the errors he thinks people like you and me on occassion make.

and i don't log in alot because i use multiuple pc's, sometimes even a pocket pc, when i check out this site or post, and it's A PAIN IN THE A**. i forget the password 1/2 the time.

the right honorable,
justme

btw: what's your obbsession with peoples skin tone?what do you think my skin tone is? you'd be surprised brother, you bring it up over and over. like i said (and it's the absolute 100% truth) the united states (especially where i come from and live) has a much larger population of dark skinned people numerically and proportionately than canada. toronto has a 7% africa-canadian population for example. that's TINY, and that's your most diverse city, i hate to see what the rest of the country looks like. it explains alot of your attitudes that come across in your posts.

Let's see if we can follow the bouncing ball here.

You asked: "This Englishman has the audacity to lecture Americans on cultural sensitivity?!!"

I replied: "That Englishman can obviously offer you some advice on Cultural Sensitivity."

To which you retorted "the united states has managed to become the worlds sole super-power . . . militarily, economically, culturally. it has 300+million people vs 30+million canada; it has a level of racial,ethnic and religious intergration that puts canada"

And yet, "you have absolutely, positively NO idea what you are speaking about."

Really? Wasn't the conversation about "While the army is "indisputably the master of conventional war fighting, it is notably less proficient in... what the US defence community often calls Operations Other Than War," the officer wrote."

Since I have been involved in MOOTWA, and have had "Cultural Sensitivity training" more than once, I somehow have no idea what I'm talking about?

"my employer is multi-national" . . .yea yea. I can give you exactally the same lecture, but describing where I work as well. However, the ethnic distribution is much different.

"what's your obbsession with peoples skin tone?" Ummm, I wasn't the one who played the ethnic card. I was simply pointing out that you can't compare an 'newly' integrated society or city such as LA county, or Boston to a much older culture, such as you'd find in Tehran or Bangalore. "When in Rome" applies, and cannot be ignored. Hawwking up a big loogie might be acceptable in Harbin, but get you tossed in the slammer in Singapore. If you want to win the heart and mind of the Imam, you don't go patting down his wife looking for WMD's.

"what do you think my skin tone is?". Me=ignorant and apathetic. I don't know, nor do I care. You're just pixels on my screen.

"i hate to see what the rest of the country looks like." Why? Canada is very diverse. Minorities are the majority, so no matter where you go, you are just as different as everyone else.

"it explains alot of your attitudes that come across in your posts."

Right back at you brother.

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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

negro please...once again the farce of being lectured about multiculturalism and racism by someone from a less multicultural and less racially diverse background then my own LOL..."sensitivity training" LMAO!!! me too boss (and millions of other unfortunate souls of all races,religions,genders and ethnic groups.) i don't need to be "educated" to understand why some jews or muslims don't eat pork or traditional muslim attitudes regarding machismo and womans rights. i'm aware of what they are (and many, MANY muslims laugh at and disregard traditions and taboos like everyone else.) let me re-intereate: i was born,raised, educated and live in a very multicultural and cosmopolitan environment. people like you seem to think anyone from a background like mine automatically thinks or acts a certain way. number one, that's naieve,but it also shows a high level of contempt. some of the most reactionary right-wing peoplei've ever met have been so-called minorities while some of the most far left-wing people i've net have been fat,middle-aged,middle-class suburban white guys.

you're easy to read. most things regarding human interaction and cultures you've been "educated" or read about, rather than experienced. reading about something is no substitute for experience boss. come down to live in new york city for awhile. don't mix with the intelligentsia but with real people. unless you're retarded or a true believer your attitudes will change from some of the stuff you promote in your postings on this site. and maybe some of your dismissive attitudes and real ignorance regarding americans and american society in general will be put to rest.

i see you're still quoting a man who was a NOTORIOUS racist and anything but tolerant regarding multiculturalism. <br />
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have you ever been to los angeles and spent time there? probably not. and boston was established in 1630, it's not a "new" city and is very diverse, with for example, a jewish population larger than toronto and much larger montreal.*<br />
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*<a href="http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_judaism.html">http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_judaism.html</a>

I'm not weighing in on the debate here, just providing some facts on<br />
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"it has a level of racial,ethnic and religious intergration that puts canada and it's figure-head governor-general to shame"<br />
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<a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html">http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ca.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html">http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html</a><br />
<a href="http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html">http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html</a><br />
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See the section called "ethnic groups" in each. It is difficult to compare data, but the stats give a decent rough picture. <br />

Also, according to the United Nations Toronto is the most multi-cultured city in the world.

that a un study that's been thrown around for years but i've never found an unbiased authoritative source for allegedly says. you repeat a lie often enough it goes unquestioned after awhile. you don't seriously believe toronto is unique or even more "diverse" (LOL) than new york city, london,los angeles,chicago, or many other cities american and otherwise do you LOL?

you fu**ing canadians gotta get out of dodge more often an see the world, you're delusional up there.

btw: you'll notice the un is headquartered in nyc and even though we treat them with the contempt they deserve they still much rather be in nyc than toronto. why?

for canada regarding ethnic/racial make up are vague compared to the usa and uk probably because canada doesn't keep (by neglect or deliberately) accurate stats.

the overall racial minority population of canada,i.e. african/asian, is 6%: that is far lower than the united states. what canadians consider diversity wouldn't pass as diverse in the united states. just because the ancestors of the majority of people in a certain area didn't come from the british isles (LOL) doesn't make it diverse by american standards. american diversity is judged primarily by racial (african/asian/caucasian) make up, not by different white european tribes (excuse me, ethnic groups.)there are whole cities in the united states larger than gta that have a minority white (anglo/euro) population. there indeed are whole large states (california/texas) that have a minority white (anglo/euro) population. nothing comparable exists in canada.

I think the "most multicultural city" quote is a bastardization of "one of the most" in this document: <a href="http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/canada/canada_hs.pdf">http://www.un.org/esa/agenda21/natlinfo/countr/canada/canada_hs.pdf</a><br />
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I was hoping someone would contest that quote, I haven't been able to find the original source either.<br />
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See page 59, table 5.3:<br />
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<a href="http://www.un.org/special-rep/ohrlls/ldc/Global-Reports/HDR%202004.pdf">http://www.un.org/special-rep/ohrlls/ldc/Global-Reports/HDR%202004.pdf</a><br />
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These are 2004 figures, suggesting Miami is actually well ahead of Toronto, then LA, then Vancouver.<br />
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And no, I don't seriously believe it. The stats actually show that the U.S. and Canada are similar in this regard, the main differences being more urban/rural across the continent. I was more refuting the notion that Canada had no basis at all than trying to "one-up" the U.S. So cut the silly pissing contest (from both sides of the border), and the "you f---ing canadians" nonsense.<br />