Abolish The Senate

Posted on Tuesday, March 07 at 09:30 by eugene
It is the vestigial remains of the old British Aristocracy, the House of Lords. In much the same way we have the vestigial remains of our reptilian past in our brains. It comes from the power of the rentier class over the rising bourgeois in England. To be a Senator you must be over 30, own $4,000 dollars in property, and be a Canadian citizen. Reformed it becomes a bourgeois institution delayed. "Saskatchewan Premier Lorne Calvert said on Wednesday that it's irrelevant whether senators are elected or appointed because the chamber is ineffectual as it stands." We need real political reform in Canada, including proportional representation, the right of recall (as the David Emerson affair has proven), and the right to referendum. All demands made by the labour left at the turn of last century. Which were then ripped off by the right wing populists of Preston Manning's Reform Party. Now joyfully abandoned by the Harpocrites in Ottawa. We must create sovereign/popular constituent assemblies, not controlled by the State or political parties, to reform this "Con" federation to take into consideration of workers and citizens rights, municipality rights, aboriginal nations and the Quebec nation, and to reform provincial powers so that they match national reforms. Read the rest of the article here; http://plawiuk.blogspot.com/2006/03/abolish-senate.html [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on March 8, 2006]

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  1. Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:02 pm
    Really? In case people have forgotten, if it weren't for the senate we'd all be drinking milk polluted with Bovine Growth Hormone. When you've got a completely ineffectual parliament, its crazy to call the senate ineffective. It's a moot point anyway because Canada couldn't even get rid of the senate, they'd need Great Britains approval. Or do people forget what happened at the only other time there was any change in the senate-when mulroney wanted to expand the senate he had to go to London.

  2. Tue Mar 07, 2006 9:54 pm
    Of course McGuinty wants to abolish the senate. He's bitching because he wants Ontario to have even more control than it does now. Every province has equal representation in the Senate, whereas the Commons are more or less determined by population. With 40 some odd percent of the population, Ontario would basically always be the swing vote or majority unless every other province ganged up on them (not likely to happen). You can't get a government elected without representation in Ontario and McGuinty knows it. Why the Sask prem is on board is beyond me, unless he's getting it under the table by Dalton.

    An elected senate in my opinion is the way to go. You want to have a second house to review bills since the commons is much more politicized and susceptible to the winds of change. A decent elected senate would be that "sober second thought" if it was set up right. Elected for terms of say 10 or more years but never in a Commons election year, with equal provincial (and territorial) representation provided. I'd almost prefer the senators to be elected until they reach a certain age (say 70) so that you wouldn't get vast swings in the politics of the upper house - and to moderate the viewpoints in the senate.

  3. Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:24 pm
    Clearly Canadians need to sit down and discuss what we want from the Senate, but in my own estimation simply getting rid of it without cross-country consultations is worse than leaving it as is. Even in its current form, the Senate serves a purpose... other than sucking money. ;)

    An elected and equal Senate with clear oversight powers would be a good counter balance to the House of Commons. The Senate could be a test bed for mixed member voting or some other form of pro-rep-gov before introducing it for general elections for the House.

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    If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

  4. Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:07 am
    We haven`t needed Britain`s approval for anything since 1982. But yeah, I`d go for an elected senate.

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    Dave Ruston

  5. Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:41 am
    So, like the NDP, you want to prevent Canadians from electing their own senators? Nice. It's funny, because I thought we needed more democracy in this country, not less? Pathetic, hypocritical Canadian socialists attempt to strike again...

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    "All great truths begin as blasphemies" - George Bernard Shaw

  6. Wed Mar 08, 2006 9:56 pm
    "We haven`t needed Britain`s approval for anything since 1982. But yeah, I`d go for an elected senate."


    Go look it up. Again, in order just to INCREASE the number of senators Mulroney had to go to Britain. Go read up on the powers of lieutenant governors and governor generals, they represent the QUEEN.

  7. Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:27 am
    Mulroney is/ was an idiot! He`s the same guy who apologized to the government of Japan instead of Japanese Canadians for their internment during WW2. The Japanese government responded by saying, " Don`t apologize to us. Apologize to Japanese Canadians." Mulroney just had a certain way of consistently making us look like a joke! Although the governor general and the lieutenant governors have a role in our 'democracy' or 'constitutional monarchy' Canada really needs no permission from Britain or the Queen for anything. Their so-called representation of the crown now, is merely symbolic.

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    Dave Ruston

  8. Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:54 am
    <p>Michael,</p> <p>my understanding was that currently each province <i>doesn’t</i> have equal Senatorial representation — viz that Ontario has 24 Senators, Québec has 24, NB/NS/PE combined have 24, BC/AB/SK/MB combined have 24, NL has six, and the territories have one each.</p> <p>Would you also like to see a second chamber introduced (or restored? I don’t know the legislative history of the provinces) in the provincial/territorial parliaments as well?</p><p>---<br>Shatter your ideals upon the rock of Truth.<br />
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    — The Divine Symphony, by Inayat Khan<br />

  9. Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:33 am
    Angus, who wants another body of overly-politcized careerists? Many people feel as David Orchard does that the senate operates as a "chamber of sober second thought" and that turning it into a political frenzy would ruin things. I'd rather have thoughtful people in there who have no need to try to get re-elected. They are not beholden to the party that got them there as they outlast the government usually.

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    "A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

    -Robert Frost

  10. Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:25 am
    Yes Mulroney was an idiot, but why should we have to apologize to the nation that tortured Canadians and British during World War II??!!

    The Japanese were potential enemy spies and combatants and a very small group. Interning them was no big deal, and they were treated much better as I mentioned above than Canadian POWs in Japan.

    Apologizing for actions that took place in a different historical context is revisionism. The Japanese would have had no qualsm about vapourizing everyone else on the planet had they had the ability to--that's just how they think.

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    "A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

    -Robert Frost

  11. by Deacon
    Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:05 am
    How about we just abolish Dalton McGuinty?

  12. Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:54 am
    "We need real political reform in Canada, including proportional representation, the right of recall (as the David Emerson affair has proven), and the right to referendum. All demands made by the labour left at the turn of last century."

    Absolutely! No tinkering with the system but change it to direct democracy so the people - for once in history - can actually have a say in what goes on, rather than being bullied by a collection of politicoes, corporation bosses and bureaucrats. All power to the people!



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