Barbarians At The Gates

Posted on Saturday, June 26 at 18:32 by Anonymous
Our open, equal and liberal society will almost certainly perish under conservative rule. With our core values depleted, i'm not so sure what it is we would be fighting against in a 'NAFTA Plus' like agreement. One thing at a time: fight to keep intact who we are THEN fight to keep to ourselves what is ours. http://www.globeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20040625.wwebco26/BNStory/Front/

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  1. Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:07 am
    Liberals and Conservatives have both voted in favour of equality rights for women in Canada, this writer's one-sided account of legislation is another clear attempt at making Canadian voters fear a change in the status quo. The Liberal electoral machine is well aware that the best way to control people is through fear and this article is a classic example supporting that. Given power the Liberals will tell you that you'll die if you don't pay more tax because it's for health care, they won't use it for health care, they just want you fearful enough that you'll pay up and consider yourself lucky. Maybe Paul Martin will let you see his private doctor from the Medisys corporation if you grease his campaign wheels...

  2. Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:08 am
    Actually, with the high probability of a minority government, the NDP and Liberals are going to govern together anyways. As long as those two parties together get a majority, then the country will be saved from Harper. So why vote Liberal when you could vote NDP and have teh same effect anyways?

    But really it comes down to the riding-by-riding breakdown. In BC, for example, the NDP is stronger than the Liberals in many ridings, so supporting the NDP would be the right choice.

    To look at the popular vote and to base your strategic vote on that alone would be disastrous.

    Thankfully I don't have to make the decision between strategic Liberal voting and ethical NDP voting. The NDP seems to have a slight lead here and the Libs and Cons are right behind. And there's no CAP candidate.


    But I want to point out that if we keep voting in fear, we will always be blindly running from the bad instead of focussing in on the good. A positive vote would be for the party you truly believe in. I can't wait for the NDP and Libs to form a minority government. Proportional Representation will be the outcome.

    -KY

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    Kory Yamashita

    "What lies behind us and what lies ahead of us are tiny matters compared to what lies within us." - Oliver Wendell Holmes

  3. Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:15 am
    You know I heard Paul Martin asking left-leaning BC voters to vote Liberal and not NDP. Well, between that choice I'd have to vote NDP because the so called left has left the Liberals. Paul Martin pushed it out and into the NDP as far as I can tell. And from this article showing all their history I'd choose NDP again even though Trudeau was my reason for being a Liberal woman for years.

  4. Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:24 am
    The Liberals don't need to say a word to scare the bejeezes out of the informed voter. The informed voter will not vote Harper not because they've been made afraid by the Liberal's bla bla bla, but because of Harper and his friends and his party and his contempt for Canada. Why would anyone vote for someone that hates Canada and its citizens? The uninformed are scary. You are scary.

  5. Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:52 am
    Well in my riding at least (Richmond) the liberals and cons are very close. I was going to vote NDP, but not now. I don't want to help send a con to the house. Sorry but that's the reality. I want an NDP MP but if I have to choose based on the reality of the numbers, ill take liberal over con any day.

  6. Sun Jun 27, 2004 4:54 am
    We're not talking about PROGRESSIVE conservatives anymore. We have a 'new' SOCIAL conservative party that is hellbent on rolling back hard fought equality rights and social justice and welfare programmes.

  7. Sun Jun 27, 2004 6:57 am
    Recent polling done by jointly with CBC and IPSOS they showed that the NDP actually went down by 6% while the Liberal's gained. Their prediction many voters in B.C leaving the NDP to vote Liberal's to make sure the cons don't get in.

    Kevin

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    "Love actually, is all around us" --From the movie Love Actually.

  8. Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:41 am
    I hope you're right, Kory, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.....I think a more resonable expectation is that the provincail governments will prove to everyone that PR is a good thing, and then once they all get on board, the federation will have to listen. I agree you could be right, but at least if we're wrong about this, the provinces will actually help Canada for a change, by paving the way for P.R. is Ottawa!

    As for the social issues, I would argue with anonoymous that it's actually more important to pursue sovereignty first, if one must prevail first, because we'll have no social issues to fight for if we give rup our country........look at Puerto Rico, they lost thier sovereignty, and now they have NO say in their social issues.

    -I would never worry about Harper and his social issues ruining us for good. He'd wouldn't win a seat the next election if he got a chance to do what he planned to do. I do think that he could ruin us, neatly, with his insane economic, military ideas.....

  9. Sun Jun 27, 2004 1:35 pm
    Here is a clear example of an uninformed voter. This is a letter to the editor in the Star on Saturday.

    This is also the opinion of a woman, and women are clearly in the sights of harper and his like.

    Go figure !! As harper says, voters are largely uninformed, and he's counting on it.
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    Give the Conservatives a majority government
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    Canada Votes
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    I am writing to ask people to give the Conservatives the majority government we so desperately need. The poor and disenfranchised have had no representation from the Liberal government and, consequently, the rich have gotten richer and the poor have gotten poorer. The middle class is struggling to make ends meet. We are being taxed to financial death and the poor are no longer surviving.

    How can Paul Martin understand our needs when he is a multi-millionaire who has helped funnel millions of taxpayer's dollars into the hands of his already wealthy associates? It is obvious that he decided to have the election now before the truth came out about the sponsorship scandal.

    We need a Conservative majority government to enact the laws and programs desperately needed to restore our great country as one for the poor as well. Please don't waste your votes.

    Jo-Anne Matthie, Burnstown, Ont.


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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  10. by avatar Milton
    Sun Jun 27, 2004 2:38 pm
    Vote NDP, the Liberals and Conservatives have savaged the social systems for decades, get rid of them. A vote for the Liberals is a vote for deep integration with the US, privatisation of the Health Care system, wide open borders, integrated secret service organisations, US soldiers able to enter Canada at the drop of a hat, invasions of democratic countries like Venezuela, etc.

    Every bad thing you think is going to happen with the Conservatives is going to happen with the Liberals as well.
    Why would you think that a man who had the gall to remove his company from Canada for tax reasons would be the guy to elect to run the country. Come on people, this dupe was the guy who put together the tax policy. Wake up, dump the Liberals and dump the Conservatives.

  11. by RPW
    Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:37 pm
    YES! At the very <b>least</b> an NDP government couldn't do any worse.... ....and is likely to do a hell of a lot better in the social justice arena.<p>---<br>RickW

  12. Sun Jun 27, 2004 7:12 pm
    I must have missed the part in the Canadian constitution that stated that in order to be a Canadian, one had to be a socialist. Harper doesn't have contempt for Canada. He has contempt for the Trudeau model of Canada - the unitarist, collectivist/egalitarian, "just society".

    Can one not be a true Canadian and also an individualist, an evangelical Christian, a supporter of strong provinces or an admirer of the United States? Who gave left-leaning nationalists the right to define what "Canadian" means? There has always been a tradition of free-market individualism in Canada. It just hasn't been the dominant philosophy. But to label people with these beliefs as "traitors" or "fifth columnists" for another country is to stifle debate.

  13. Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:38 pm
    you people make me sick. If you hate Canadian society so much, please move to the states. They have what you're offering. We'll be happy and you'll be happy. everyone wins.

  14. Sun Jun 27, 2004 8:59 pm
    Right back at you!

    It makes me sick that socialists believe they have a monopoly on being Canada. I don't hate Canadian society. I simply disagree with the dominant Central Canadian left-liberal consensus. Last time I checked, we were a democracy, and I had a right not to agree with the Canadian nationalist left. I certainly shouldn't have to surrender my Canadian citizenship just because I don't subscribe to the Trudeau 60's model of Canada.

    I love this country too. I simply disagree with you on how it should be run. I don't believe that government is the solution to everyone's problems. I don't believe that one builds a positive self-identity as a nation by constantly bashing another.

    I'm not about to surrender my country to collectivists.



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