Rae Daze

The corrosive cynicism about Canadian polititians evident here is a real concern. People who tell you that all polititians are crooks are like people who tell you government is always wasteful, inefficient, etc. These voices are the enemies of a healthy democracy, and whether they are conscious of the negative effects of their cynicism or not, they should be corrected and chastised. Macleans' magazine I understand has turned into such an ideological right-wing abomination that campaigns are being organized to have it removed from doctors' and dentists' offices.

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Brett Mann

Personally I like Bob Rae.

His going over to the federal Liberals might be just what they need to get the social-democratic heart they had years ago pumping again.

And one thing that most of us here I am sure can agree on: Canada, as a nation, CANNOT in any way shape or form afford a Harper Conservative majority government.

If Rae can help the Liberals prevent that unmitigated disaster, then I'd vote for him in a second.

Right now, Harper is running in a one horse race, and is quite naturally winning. An easy thing to do when you have no opponent.

Deacon's prediction: Rae vs Harper

Harper will implode simply because he has never been able to adequately adjust to factors that he cannot control utterly.

Rae on the other hand has dealt with chaos for years in the NDP, it is his natural political element.

And it is often easier for someone who can thrive in chaos to adjust to order than it is for a control freak to adjust to chaos.

Look for Harper's campaign to crater around week three or four.



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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

Don't be fooled by bobin' rae<br />
<a href="http://www.google.com/search?hs=1vf&hl=en&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&q=The+Rockefeller+links+of+Canadian+politicians.+%2B+Bob+Rae&btnG=Search">http://www.google.com/search?hs=1vf&hl=en&lr=&client=opera&rls=en&q=The+Rockefeller+links+of+Canadian+politicians.+%2B+Bob+Rae&btnG=Search</a><p>---<br>Diogenes said:<br />
"I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

....has been well-earned by Canadian politicians in general.

As a very small example, why is the debt and deficit the fault of the Canadian people, and 'tough love" measures become necessary to fix it. For nearly 140 years, two parties have run this country into the ground by lavish promises and expenditures. Yet it is our fault? It is they who have the cheque book.......

Maybe Rae WOULD do things differently. But should he win the Liberal race, then win the coming election, he would likely inherit a country on the brink of recession. Shades of Ontari-ar-io!!!

Take away MP's "bullet-proof" pension schemes, and see if there's any "last Man Standing"........

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"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

I was thinking along the same lines that "Bobbin Rae" (good one Dio) might be a good choice for the Liberals because of the left tendancies and the likely resulting correction in the left direction. However, that would probably only split the left in an election and that is the last thing we need.
Interesting link btw Dio but even if that links Jack Layton as well as Bob Rae to the Bilderbergers, we don't have another choice. At least not a viable, electable alternative. This time around me thinks it's the NDP or bust and I'm thinking that Iggy as the Liberal leader will split the right and allow the NDP some real headway. Hopefully this time around Jack can be nimble and not treat the debates as if they were commercial spots.


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Everybody got to deviate from the norm

Seems that most posters in this here forum would be inclined to vote NDP. I suppose though, that what I am saying is, don't expect miracles. The inventives for leadership to do well <b>for Canada</b> are just not built into the governance or business of this country.<p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

We gotzta think outta da box!
I possess enough information to support the Canadian Action Party, Most important of all of all they know the score with regard to fractional reserve fiat money banking.
Besides There are participant on this site i have enough faith in to support and should they sell out , well i know a guy that knows a guy that does wet work

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Diogenes said:
"I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

SCUBA diving.....? Too bad CAP doesn't run full slate.

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"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

I hope I don't sound like I'm slaggin' CAP because believe me, I think their platform is great but as far as electability goes? I doubt that many voters even know they exist.
I really think the best hope for the future of Canada lies with the NDP.

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Everybody got to deviate from the norm

Quote "I hope I don't sound like I'm slaggin' CAP because believe me, I think
their platform is great but as far as electability goes? I doubt that many voters
even know they exist.
I really think the best hope for the future of Canada lies with the NDP."

It does appear that you are slapping CAP, that's ok. We are recruiting now for
the next election. We do intend to run a full slate of candidates. We are doing
what we can to raise awareness. Those who know the threats to our nation
and fail to inform their fellow Canadians do a huge disservice to the future of
this nation. Those who know and say well maybe the NDP will save us, are
also doing a disservice because very clearly the leadership in the NDP is
waiting for the parade and then they'll get on board....examples... Toronto
protest Troops out of Afghanistan... who was speaking to the crowd, Jack
Layton, did he participate in the planning of the protest, did the NDP endorse
it? CAP did, CAP sent out notices, rallied people and joined with other peace
seeking voices, was Connie Fogal asked to speak at the Vancouver rally ? No.

Did the NDP stand up against the Afghanistan mission in the first place? Did
they demand full disclosure? Did they cause enough noise over the SPP to
create public awareness? NO Did they disclose their knowledge of the NAU?
NO
Did any other party, other than CAP? Even the Greens haven't come out and
declared their stand against the NAU, we'll see if Elizabeth May speaks to this
threat to our country in the by-election, but so far the only party that has
respected the public enough to inform them, is CAP.

If we continued to say that if the media doesn't cover us it isn't worth
existing, many of the issues that are getting some exposure wouldn't have
seen the light of day. We aren't in this for the short term, we are like most
Canadians we want the truth, we want people held accountable, and we want
to stop the loss of our nation. We do not wish to give up our freedom for a
false sense of security and we sure as hell don't want to live under a
corporate elistist rule!

So if you feel the same way the best way to stop it is to stand up, stand with
us and if you can't run as a candidate yourself, seek out someone in your
riding and help them run. All it will take is a few CAP candidates in the House
to stop the secrecy, the erosion of our government amd throw a real wrench
into the plan. I don't blame people for their fear of speaking out, or the fear
of being disloyal, or whatever fear they have...fear is real and it is no accident
that so many Canadian feel it...but if you want to be free of the fear...the best
therapy is to speak, write, stand up and soon you will feel so empowered that
your friends will start to say hey, if they can do it so can I....it is contagious
and so worthwhile.

Or you can sit around lamenting that nobody can save us and we're all
doomed and stuck with the corporate parties and the corporate agenda. The
reality is nobody is going to save us, there are no super heroes, we must do
this ourselves
I would rather go down fighting then sit by and wait for someone to save us,
but that's just the way CAP and I think!

P.S. if you think I'm slapping the NDP(Leadership)...I am...they could have
done alot more than they have and they've had every opportunity to do so,
but chose not to therefore they are no different in my book than any other
party that has seats in the House. They have the resources to communicate
with the public, while CAP has a few hard working volunteers who are not
harnessed. There is a saying 'to much is given...much is expected' and this
country has been ruled by the elite because they have failed to understand
this little saying....it is time we stopped being ruled and started having real
representative democracy with accountability to the people! Public servant
means just that....Leaders are not leaders if nobody is following!

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"aaaah and the whisper of thousands of tiny voices became a mighty deafening roar and they called it 'freedom'!"' Canadians Acting Humanely at home & everywhere

<blockquote> if you think I'm slapping the NDP(Leadership)...I am...they could have done alot more than they have and they've had every opportunity to do so, but chose not to therefore they are no different in my book than any other party that has seats in the House. They have the resources to communicate with the public, while CAP has a few hard working volunteers who are not harnessed. There is a saying 'to much is given...much is expected' and this country has been ruled by the elite because they have failed to understand this little saying....it is time we stopped being ruled and started having real representative democracy with accountability to the people! Public servant means just that....Leaders are not leaders if nobody is following!</blockquote> I think you summed it up well enough and I have nothing to add other than to summarize a little more and just say that a vote for the NDP is a vote for the status quo. Bullshit lite, is still bullshit. If we really desire change, then we have to go for it. The NDP is the same old territory. If there's any doubt, then take a good look at all the crap the NDP has done provincially (BC is a good start). Is that the kind of corruption we want to see on a federal basis?

Seeing as I am from BC, I would much prefer NDP corruption, were we at least get to KEEP what we already own rather than the Campbell/Harper variety where it is either sold off or leased to people whose only motives are to rape it for everything they can get, then charge us for the clean up.

BUT if Rae really IS in with the Bilderberg bunch, then there's no goddamn way in Hell he'll ever see my vote.

You guys have given me a lot to think about and look into.

Thanks for the heads up, I really do appreciate it.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

FYI<br />
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If I may, I would like to also bring the topic back to alternatives to the well established parties and note they are the status quo as pointed out by an other poster.<br />
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This thing called democracy has become an old boy, and girl&#8217;s network, were loyalties go to the party. What I want politically is for the voter to be the party and that requires a shift in thinking. It seems to me that the &#8216;we&#8217; is forever relinquishing personal power and transferring that power to the entity known as &#8216;the party&#8217;. It is at that moment of transfer the &#8216;I&#8217; looses input on a scale where the balance is tipped.<br />
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My satisfaction would reach it&#8217;s apogee where individual participation is encouraged and valued.<br />
The system we now have gives rise to more frustrations and feelings of being &#8216;not a part of&#8217; and when one listens, really listens, they will hear the majority speak not from a sense of belonging, but from a sense of being an outsider.<br />
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Offer me an organisation where I can know as well as feel value.<br />
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<p>---<br>Diogenes said:<br />
"I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

<blockquote> Seeing as I am from BC, I would much prefer NDP corruption, were we at least get to KEEP what we already own rather than the Campbell/Harper variety where it is either sold off or leased to people whose only motives are to rape it for everything they can get, then charge us for the clean up. </blockquote> In much agreement with you here, Deacon. <p>As for a federal NDP government carrying their BC-style "corruption" to Ottawa -- why, they have been beaten to it several times over in the last two decades.</p> But if there is a CAP candidate in my riding, I will give this person my vote, if only because the federal monies available if CAP gets over 4% of vote. It helped the Greens, and heavens knows we need many more parties running, not less. <p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."