Wouldn't a free people simply refuse to accept what they know in their hearts is nonsense, nonsense that is masking the real issues? I know we don't want to discuss problems in terms of colour, in terms of ethnicity, in terms of country of origin. We want to keep saying what the government and all agents of contemporary want us to say, that all people are the same, that all individuals are the same, that all groups are the same and when there is a problem, when that problem involves low outcomes in education, low outcomes in family unity and domestic harmony, higher rates of criminal behavior, drug addiction and violence.
When there is a problem, we must not point any fingers at the people who have the problem. If we are going to point, we must point at ourselves. We are the problem. We are the village raising the child...and if this country were a tyranny, run by a dictator, I could understand how we could just feel we have no choice but to keep sucking on this multicultural lollipop until we gag.
But I thought as a young child growing up in Canada that we a choice on speaking the truth or not speaking it. I thought that's what separated us from all those other countries where societies are under the thumb of the evil man with his evil secret police force and corrupt judges and lying media lapdogs.
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Canada Is Becoming A Tyranny Of Politeness
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Politeness, that well know bit of Canadiana has always seemed to me to be a cover-up that turned Canadians into the ‘Little man of Wilhelm Reich’s “Listen Little Man” We are polite to a fault and in our politeness we choke down any legitimate feeling we have so as not to be see as the ‘unacceptable’ All that choked down and bottled up emotion has to come out in the most abhorated ways.
(My frustration level just went through the roof as my computer, keyboard skills and time available to me are all finite for the day more later and I really want to address Adler’s article
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake
“I’m running late catch you in an hour”
So where was I?
Oh Ya, Abhorrent/abhorrated behaviours
Go to the article. Read the replies.
Several of the replyees applaud writing that is as bad as what I’ve offered here as far as composition goes. It is a carefully crafted dog’s breakfast of disjointed idea meant to stimulate readership and therefore justify advertising rates, none the less, some of the points need addressing, For example the concept of taking personal responsibility when political correctness and political legislation to enforce the pc leave only the give-the-dog –a-bone letters to the editor and open internet forums for free expression.
The idea of taking personal responsibility is all to frequently floated after some tragedy occurs as a way of sluffing off bad government and worse policing.
Adler’s assertions are idiotic AND do present an opportunity for discourse, intelligent or otherwise.
“We have seen the enemy, and he IS us!”
Dio
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake
If there is a higher droupout rate in school in a particular minority (black/white/native/asian) why can we not deal with it? I'm opposed to the segregation of people, even for the best of intentions.
The other example he gives is the death of two young children. The chief of that band has tried to ban alcohol from that reserve before. Now, people's decisions are costing more lives. Should we ignore it because it would be impolite to say the emperor has no clothes?
"Wouldn't a free people simply refuse to accept what they know in their hearts is nonsense, nonsense that is masking the real issues?"
I for one, have been pointing out the nonsense. But it gets a little tiring doing it alone, doesn't it?
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"Wouldn't a free people simply refuse to accept what they know in their hearts is nonsense, nonsense that is masking the real issues?"
I for one, have been pointing out the nonsense. But it gets a little tiring doing it alone, doesn't it?
Me: the question in quotes sounds so reasonable it must have been asked by a Canadian LOL Whast I deduce from the question is that we are not a free people. Truth and logic often become casualties of one another , eh?
We both in our ouw ways, as do most here , point out nonesense But like trush one man's nonsense is another man's treasure
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake
But that is causing us to fail in our social responsibilities. We suppress 'Christmas' because of mythical people who might possible be offended by the outwardness of our society and end up becoming victims of someone elses' morality even though we know they are wrong. We don't point to the communities involvement in not banning an abused substance for contributing to the deaths of those young girls, because it makes us think we are singling out stereotypical aspects of a community. And that makes us think we are racist. And they probably thought they were doing people a favour or minding their own business by not banning it.
I've always pointed to nonsense when I see it here. I'm just doing more often on the other side of this keyboard too.
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This better not turn out to be another of those Doc’n’ Dio dog and pony shows for mass consumption
Y’all are welcome to join ib
Hey! Prax, Indie, rg, Milton, Ed, ‘clone Y’all come on in for a dust up.
Doc, You and I having a this, or any discussion is a piss poor example of a free people.
You and I having this discussion is another give-the-dog-a-bone garden pedestrian variety of being “free people”. Yogurt has more “culture”.
I suppose a collective behaviour might qualify as “culture , but of what?
I see, I think ,what you are saying with respect to not bring seen as outspokenly forward
and there is a presence of annoyance and embarrassment when it happens in the presence of Canadians.
As I am a singular person I have no knowledge of “community”, nor did I have as “family” even though I have been married and have siblings. I do however notice the lack of back bone and presence of malleability in the Canadian herd think. I would express myself more naturally if it weren’t for the spam feature on polite Vive le mind our manners (LOL)
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake
Depends on your definition of freedom. Let's take an example: let's say we disagree with the actions of a politician. We can then discuss, debate, argue, comment or whine all we want, we can't make him behave differently.
We can call our MPs and make petitions, and they can ignore us.
We can protest in the streets and they can send the police with guns and tear gas after us.
We can refuse to obey and we'll be sent in prison, or even killed.
We can elect someone else, and they can simply bribe or blackmail him so that no matter who we elect the result is always the same.
Freedom is participation in power, and of that we have *none*.
We are like ancient Rome: we get bread, wine and games and we can whine all we want, but still we live under feudalism and when the powerful order, we must obey or be destroyed.
The Sharp Wolf
"None are more hopelessly enslaved that those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
"Far from damaging the system, activists actually legitimize it. By their petitioning, they acknowledge the right of those in power to exercise that power as they choose, without ever challenging it."
"Freedom is participation in power, and of that we have *none*."
THAT is the clincher! We go out to vote, or half of us do at best, then we wash our hands in the whole affair. Sit back and complain for the next 4 years. And they know we will.
I wrote a couple months back on a planned protest in Calgary against the 'iPod tax'. How did that turn out? 50 people showed up at the ministers office in Calgary, and the Minister pulled the bill from the table. All it took was a little opposition, and they cave!
The government of France is still scared of their citizens, and all they had to do was chop off a few heads a few hundred years ago. A few protests in Alberta got helathcare bills revoked. All we have to do is show a little backbone, and they do fall in line. It's just getting a couple thousand people to show up that is the problem.
"We are like ancient Rome: we get bread, wine and games and we can whine all we want, but still we live under feudalism and when the powerful order, we must obey or be destroyed."
Check out the Facebook page from the SPP protest (if you sign up, you don't have to tell the truth on the information you give them - look at my profile). I took pictures. One of those shows the 'riot squad'. Two Sheriffs, only slightly amused at our gathering. At the same time, the SDQ were provoking riots in Montebello.
They are worried; they are scared, because we are starting to flex the muscles we have. Even Ralph Klien said that the biggest sore spot he had in his time in office as far as protesters went were the "Raging Grannies".
Dio wrote:
"I do however notice the lack of back bone and presence of malleability in the Canadian herd think. I would express myself more naturally if it weren’t for the spam feature on polite Vive le mind our manners (LOL)"
By all fucking means.
If the herd needs a 'culling', then that what we may have to resort to in order to scare them into action. They can be motivated to say 'Alcohol is destroying you, stop blaming us and our ancestors for your situation, and fix it yourselves!'. We can help you do that; tough love, baby.
"Be the change you wish to see in the world." - Ghandi.
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The gunpowder, treason and plot,
I know of no reason
Why gunpowder treason
Should ever be forgot
Guy Fawkes, Guy Fawkes, ’twas his intent
To blow up the King and Parliament.
Three score barrels of powder below,
Poor old England to overthrow;
By God’s providence he was catch’d
With a dark lantern and burning match.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, make the bells ring.
Holloa boys, holloa boys, God save the King!
Hip hip hoorah!
A penny loaf to feed the Pope.
A farthing o’ cheese to choke him.
A pint of beer to rinse it down.
A faggot of sticks to burn him.
Burn him in a tub of tar.
Burn him like a blazing star.
Burn his body from his head.
Then we’ll say ol’ Pope is dead.
Hip hip hoorah!
Hip hip hoorah hoorah!
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If Politeness is the tyranny, we need an opposite gunpowder and match.
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There is no doubt in my mind that alcohol abuse takes its toll and people ought to (ought to being the one up position and looking down on) take responsibly for themselves. There is a long distance between ought and not and for the most part pop psychology has only benefitted the developers of it<br />
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Ah YES YES YES The Raging Grannies. One of the best ideas for protest that ever graced a cause <br />
Bless them al<br />
Maybe that is the answer <br />
Brigades of Raging Grannies, some guy in drag to add to the compliment! <br />
Raging Granpas, too<br />
Raging Youguns<br />
Raging Rioters doing a chorus line shtick, on Election Day and the first day of every month thereafter.<br />
Mock Guillotines <br />
Burning Effigies <br />
Anything to shake the others out of their complacency<br />
After jostling innocent shoppers and having the apologies to me I often remark, <br />
“Stop being Canadian!”<br />
It gets a smile, and hopefully the message<br />
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The idea that punishment can be therapeutic is not unique to the Rotenberg Center. In fact, this notion is widespread among the hundreds of "emotional growth boarding schools," wilderness camps, and "tough love" antidrug programs that make up the billion-dollar teen residential treatment industry.<br />
This harsh approach to helping troubled teens has a long and disturbing history. No fewer than 50 programs (though not the Rotenberg Center) can trace their treatment philosophy, directly or indirectly, to an antidrug cult called Synanon. Founded in 1958, Synanon sold itself as a cure for hardcore heroin addicts who could help each other by "breaking" new initiates with isolation, humiliation, hard labor, and sleep deprivation.<br />
Today, troubled-teen programs use Synanon-like tactics, advertising themselves to parents as solutions for everything from poor study habits to substance misuse. However, there is little evidence that harsh behavior-modification techniques can solve these problems. Studies found that Synanon's "encounter groups" could produce lasting psychological harm and that only 10 to 15 percent of the addicts who participated in them recovered. And as the classic 1971 Stanford prison experiment demonstrated, creating situations in which the severe treatment of powerless people is rewarded inevitably yields abuse. This is especially true when punishment is viewed as a healing process. Synanon was discredited in the late 1970s and 1980s as its violent record was exposed. (The group is now remembered for an incident in which a member placed a live rattlesnake—rattle removed—in the mailbox of a lawyer who'd successfully sued it.) Yet by the time Synanon shut down in 1991, its model had already been widely copied.<br />
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my offering on “gentling”<br />
Locking Natives up in reserves, tearing their children away to isolate in residential schools where beatings and molestation were the order of the day didn’t play a part?<br />
Like Hell it didn’t!<br />
Repair the root-damage first and them perhaps the problem od substance abuse can be addressed<br />
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But enough of that! <br />
the theme is Tyranny of Politeness and that has been ingraine for decades <br />
Mind your elders<br />
You Can’t fight city hall <br />
Don’t speak unless spoken to ! <br />
What will people think?<br />
I’ve been told a child hears the word “No! thousands of time before school age <br />
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<p>---<br>"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."<br />
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake
At one time I took the time and trouble to explain WHY I said the things I said, and by-and-large the critics either shut up or agreed that I "had a point".
I no longer give a shit what names I get called because "Name calling is the final refuge of the out-argued scoundrel". Nonetheless name calling is still used to stop discussion and critique of politically correct activities. Canadians must grow a thick skin for this type of counter-attack, ie. name-calling.
The only way politicians will act in the best interest of the voters is by execution of one every year "to encourage the others" as Napoleon said when he executed an admiral per annum.
For politicians there MUST be heavy consequences for stepping-out-of-line to such an extend that they harm the country. Firing them, ie. voting them out of office is hardly sufficient penalty what with their gold-plated pensions and political appointments later.
Not even Canadian Criminal Law or Tax Law is applied to politicians or the politically connected.
As for the changes caused by "protests" as posted above: Anybody that was ever involved in business negotiations knows that each side has a number of "throw-away" points to concede early to be able to point to their "good faith".
I'm afraid that is what the concessions on Ipod tax and the other point were.
Let's see what the government's changes will be with regards the various "human rights" commissions in Canada. Will the government take the position that the existing laws are sufficient to deal with the perceived problems and that the extraordinary star chamber is no longer required?
As an aside I find it highly amusing that the muslims are using the CHRC to attack the CJC and its mouthpieces. There is justice after all. But, now that the shoe is on the other foot, we get all this noise about changing the CHRC terms of reference.
Where were these shits 25 years ago? Freedom of speech my ass. The $$$$$ costs to fight the system is the reason for the "synthetic outrage and crocodile tears" now being heaped onto the CHRC, when it was the CJC that lead the way for the draconian measures against free speech in Canada.
The next time I hear anything about the "6 Million" in the MSM I may file a claim with the CHRC!
H.F. Wolff
Yea, that might have been me. Sorry about that.
"Let's see what the government's changes will be with regards the various "human rights" commissions in Canada. Will the government take the position that the existing laws are sufficient to deal with the perceived problems and that the extraordinary star chamber is no longer required?"
I think that pendulum is on the downswing. I'm seeing more 'police lay charges' headlines, and fewer '$entity brought before CHRC' headlines. But the ones I am seeing are big - Mcleans' for one.
The best one I've seen so far is 'Imam called before CHRC for violating muslim womens rights'. Touché!
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I've ben an argued out nams calling scoundrel and look at me now LOL
all peace and good vibes and the the numbers of overall respndees has dropped
Ok Ok I'll take
am thoughstarting to worry about this sirtes lack of down and dirty exchanges because I learned a lot my tongue out of my cheeck
Catherine W C had a lot of valuable insight on many topics
and damned good points (thse were the ones close to my own LOL) on the affects of accumulated negitivity and how stiffelng it is
It is winter in Cana (and the spam filter wont let me offer a av slur) duh
maybe thats it Bloo cold snow stormy winter and our lack of full participation in the political landscape combimed with a large ethnic shift in immigration?
I am at a lot and oly hope i can live out my years bfore the fit hits the shan, or something like that
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"When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."
William Blake