Allen Ginsberg And George Grant

Posted on Thursday, March 24 at 10:30 by sthompson
The Six Gallery reading of 1955 was, therefore, a pivotal event in bringing together the ecological Beats of the West Coast and the Bop and Beat Tradition of the East Coast. Allen Ginsberg attended and participated in the Six Gallery reading, and, a year later, published Howl and Other Poems. The back cover of Howl, in the City Lights Books, reports that “Allen Ginsberg’s Howl and Other Poems was originally published by City Lights Books in the Fall of 1956. Subsequently seized by the U.S. Customs and the San Francisco police, it was the subject of a long court trial at which a series of poets and professors persuaded the courts that the book was not obscene. Over 30,000 copies have since been sold.” There is no doubt Howl created a commotion and stir in the San Francisco area at the time. It is 40 years this year since George Grant’s Lament for a Nation (1965) was published. Lament for a Nation, like Howl, created strong reactions. Many in the New Left and Counter Culture in Canada were drawn to Lament for a Nation. Many in the political centre and political right in Canada were offended by what Grant was saying in Lament. Grant was fully aware of what he was saying and doing at the time, and he knew that his criticisms of the American empire (and the Canadian colonial and comprador class) would not be taken well by the ruling establishment and high mucky-mucks at the time. Lament has been called “a masterpiece of political meditation,” and Darrol Bryant sees it as a tract for the times that stands within the Old Testament prophetic tradition of Lamentations. Kenneth Rexroth has argued, in defending Ginsberg, that his poetry stands “in the long Jewish Old Testament tradition of testimonial poetry.” It is significant to note that Grant in his 1970 Introduction to Lament for a Nation refers twice to the image and metaphor of Molech. Molech was seen by the Jewish people as a devouring god that consumed and destroyed the life of one and all. Molech is a central metaphor in Part II of Howl. Grant also refers to the Beats and the Counter Culture in Lament for a Nation. Ginsberg and Grant seem, at first glance, to be lamenting and howling against the same Molech. The American empire seemed to consume one and all. The best and the brightest did their best to oppose and resist such a monster and leviathan, but souls and bodies were required to feed the ravenous appetite of the beast. Was it possible to live a meaningful life without bowing and genuflecting to Molech? Howl and Lament for a Nation seem to be on the same page and fighting the same enemy and opponent. But are they? Ginsberg and Grant do agree on what they want to be free from. Do they agree on what they want to be free for? It is by understanding this difference that we will understand the different paths taken between American anarchism (and Canadian devotees of such a tradition) and Canadian High Tory nationalism. The different paths hiked do lead to quite distinctly different places on the political spectrum. Let us, all too briefly, light and linger at Howl and Lament for a Nation to see how and why American anarchism and Canadian nationalism, although seeming to have much in common at one level, have less and less in common at more substantive levels. It is significant to note, by way of beginning, to mention who Howl and Lament for a Nation are dedicated to. Ginsberg offers up Howl to Jack Kerouac, William Burroughs and Neal Cassady; all three were East Coast Bop and Beat poets and activists. Howl was written for Carl Solomon, and William Carlos Williams wrote the Introduction. Kerouac is very much in the lead in the dedication, and Ginsberg writes that “Several phrases and the title of Howl are taken from him.” We need to ask ourselves this simple question if we ever hope to get a fix and feel for Ginsberg’s drift and direction: what is the essence and core of the East Coast Bop and Beat ethos and how did Ginsberg, Kerouac, Burroughs, Cassady, Williams and Solomon embody such an ideology? There tends to be six distinct points to be noted here: I) individual feelings and emotions are paramount (reason and one-dimensional science are the problem); II) protest and rebellion against the American empire and Puritanism are dominant; III) uprootedness and unrootedness are welcomed—-being on the road becomes a new creed and dogma; IV) eclectic spirituality becomes the new sacrament--a rather raw sexuality and spirituality are fused; V) institutions (whether they are religious, political, cultural, economic) are seen as the problem; and VI) anarchism is seen as the liberating means of opposition to the authoritarian and repressive nature of all ideologies and institutions. Liberty tends to trump order, individuality repels the common good, equality of desires is held high, raw experience banishes the wisdom of tradition, and spirituality is freed from the bondage of shackles of religious dogmas and institutions. Needless to say, such a position becomes its own ideology, creed and institution that cannot be doubted and must be defended at all costs by its guardians and gatekeepers. There is no doubt that Kerouac, Burroughs and Cassady embodied such a vision. Carolyn Cassaday dared to expose and question such an ideology in Off the Road: My Years with Cassady, Kerouac and Ginsberg (1990). Even Kerouac was beginning to ask substantive questions about the Beats and distance himself from them in the early 1960s. He makes this quite clear in Lonesome Traveler (1960) when he said, “Am actually not ‘Beat’ but strange solitary crazy Catholic mystic,” and with the publication of Vanity of Duluoz (1968), Kerouac made it clear that much of the Bop and Beat tradition was much more about a rather inflated vanity and egoistic and indulgent individualism than anything else. But Kerouac still remained the liberty-loving and solitary Catholic mystic. The American DNA and genetic code of individualism was still his master and guru. Grant dedicated Lament for a Nation “To Derek Bedson and Judith Robinson: Two Lovers Of Their Country: One Living and One Dead.” Who were Derek Bedson and Judith Robinson, and how, as Canadian lovers of their country, were they different from Kerouac, Burroughs and Cassady? Derek Bedson, unlike many of the Beats, had a strong commitment to the Anglican High Tory tradition both in politics and religion. He was active in the Anglican Church of Canada (ever the gadfly to its emerging liberalism) and he worked in the area of both federal and provincial politics. Bedson, unlike the Beats, realized that both political and religious institutions (although always imperfect) were important means to work within for the common good of the nation and the people. Society and the State (both have their distortions and demons) when understood aright should and can work together, in an organic, just and ordered way, for the commonweal. The philosophic tradition of liberalism, in either its American imperial form or its Beat reactionary form, was about individuals using their liberty in a unilateral way to undermine and deconstruct those things that, as people, we share in common. Grant turned to Bedson as a true teacher and mentor who loved his country. Judith Robinson was a feisty and fiery Red Tory who, as an animated journalist, challenged both liberalism and the Liberal party in Canada. In fact, her relentless assaults on the Liberal party lead to the Royal Canadian Military Police (RCMP) bloodhounds being turned on her in the 1950s. Robinson thought the liberals were selling out Canada to the USA, and she would have none of it. The Liberal party of St. Laurent and King were an anathema to her. The American way (both in principle and fact) were something she had little or no patience for. George Grant, therefore, when he dedicated Lament for a Nation to Derek Bedson and Judith Robinson, knew what he was doing and saying. Many Canadians have, I suspect, heard of Ginsberg, Kerouac, Cassady, Williams and Burroughs. I question whether many have heard of Judith Robinson or Derek Bedson. What does this tell us about our Canadian soul and how it has been colonized by the American matrix? There is little doubt that Bedson, Robinson and Grant stood in a very different place on the political and personal spectrum than Kerouac, Burroughs, Cassady and Ginsberg. Both clans could agree that American imperialism, corporate capitalism, comsumerism, liberal bourgeois thought and puritanism needed to be exposed and undressed. There was no depth to them. They embodied Nietzche’s “Last Man” or Miller’s “Wrong Dream.” Surely there was more to the good life than defining and defending personal peace and happiness. In short, Canadian High Tories and American Anarchist Beats do agree on the fact that the patient is ill and ailing. They have much in common in their diagnosis. But they have quite a different way of healing the failing and faltering patient. The prognosis takes Grant and Ginsberg down different paths and to different places. What then is this different prognosis? Let us turn to Howl and Lament for a Nation to see what is seen. It is in this different seeing that we will come to understand some important differences at a root, core and genetic, philosophic, and practical level between Americans and Canadians. It is 50 years since Howl was published. It is 40 years since Lament for a Nation was published. It is at such remembering points we are offered the opportunity to see again what animates and tends to define the True North from the empire to the south. Howl is divided into three sections and a “Footnote to Howl.” Section I opens with the memorable lines than none forget once heard and read: “I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness.” The rest of the section is a prose-poem that describes how these best minds were destroyed, and, equally so, how the artistic and visionary nature of such minds were bent and broken on the anvil of the modern world. Section I is both tragic and sad, and the ruined and wrecked lives are amply laid out for all to see in the most graphic and poignant of ways. We might ask, as we read Section I, whether these are the best minds (given their end points), but Ginsberg has told us these are the best and the brightest, so we heed and hear. Section II turns, in a penetrating manner, to the place that has savaged such minds, and the potent image that speaks of such an alluring and tempting place: Molech, Molech and Molech becomes the destructive and dominant metaphor. The metaphor of Molech is unpacked and unraveled in a variety of ways, but there is no doubt that the best minds are defeated victims of Molech, and Molech will devour one and all. Who is Molech? Ginsberg makes this most clear. It is all forms of tyranny and authority that brutalize and are callous to the best minds. The USA is very much in the foreground, though. Section III presses home the point in a more urgent and not to be forgotten manner. Section III is directed to Carl Solomon in Rockland. The political left is held high and idealized, and the USA is seen as the place of repression and destruction. The language is raw and graphic in Howl, and social reality is neatly and crisply divided into a rather simplistic either-or way of looking at things. “Footnote to Howl” walks the extra mile to shout from the rooftops the Holy, Holy, Holy theme. All is holy and needs to be seen as such. Ginsberg in this section is doing his best to fuse spirituality and sexuality, street life with city life. Nothing should be seen as unholy. All has goodness in and to it, and when this is seen, eternity is in our midst. There are other poems in the Howl collection, also. “A Supermarket in California” doffs the cap to Walt Whitman, and “Transcription of Organ Music” takes the reader through and beyond the purpose of organ music. The transcription and the organ are meant to walk the attentive and alert to higher and deeper spiritual states. This poem points the way to what such a fusion of spirituality and sensuality might look like. “Sunflower Sutra” tells the tale of Ginsberg and Kerouac as they see, through Blake’s sunflower, a sutra of insight in hard places. “America” is a longer poem, and, true to form, turns on the USA. “In the Baggage Room at Greyhound,” like other poems in the collection, takes the reader into the underground and underbelly of America. “An Asphodel,” “Song,” “Wild Orphan,” and “in back of the real” close off this final section in Howl and Other Poems. It must be remembered that these poems were published in 1956. The USA was in the thick of the Cold War, and anyone with the mildest sympathies with the left was seen as communist. The raw sexual and sensual language that permeates and pervades most of Howl and Other Poems is a frontal assault and attack on both middle class bourgeois America and the puritan ethos the shaped such an ideology. Ginsberg, in short, was pulling no punches. He thought the best minds in America had been driven mad by a combination of the military industrial complex, anti-communist thinking, and puritan and bourgeois ethics. He howled against such a repressive way of being, and the state and police turned on him for doing so. Howl (1956) and On the Road (1957) became sacred texts and Bibles for the Beat generation, and Ginsberg became a high priest to such a generation with his fusion of sensuality/spirituality, anarchist/protest politics, and a raw and in-your-face assault on middle class values. Howl became a lightning rod missive for those who felt ill at ease with expectations laid on them they had no interest in. Ginsberg’s Howl spoke what many felt but had not yet put to words. What are the points of concord and convergence between Grant’s Lament for a Nation and Ginsberg’s Howl; and, equally important, what are the points of discord and divergence? The 1965 edition of Lament for a Nation is divided into seven chapters. In some ways it is a prose/poem that deals with major political themes in Canada, and between Canada and the USA. George Grant added an ‘Introduction’ in 1970, and Sheila Grant (George’s wife) added an ‘Afterword’ in 1997. I will stick with the 1965 edition of Lament for a Nation. I mentioned above that the very language of lament conjures up for the reader the tradition of Jewish political thought. The Jewish prophet Jeremiah wrote Lamentations. The fact that Lament for a Nation is divided into seven chapters reminds the reader of the seven days of creation in the Jewish tradition. The fact the seventh chapter is theological means that the political reflections have a deeper source than merely politics. Chapter I in Lament deals with Diefenbaker’s defeat by Pearson in the 1963 election. Grant saw this as a source of much concern, since Pearson was pro-American and Diefenbaker was a thorn in Kennedy’s side. And, more worrisome for Grant, most Canadians were overjoyed to have Pearson as the new Prime Minister of Canada. What did this say about Canadian nationalism? Chapter II and III ponder both the follies and foolishness of Diefenbaker and his nobility and heroism. Grant was no uncritical fan of Diefenbaker, but he did think that Diefenbaker stood on principles, and that his nationalist political principles brought about his demise. Chapter IV touches on both liberalism and the Liberal party in Canada, and why such a party has tended to dominate much of Canadian political life (and its consequences for Canadian nationalism). Chapters V and VI, consciously so, walk the reader into the realms of political theory and political philosophy, and why, at root and ground level, Canadian conservatism (in its English and French forms) is, almost, the opposite of American republican conservatism. The fact that American liberalism (in its democratic and republican forms) seeks to dominate the world raises for Grant a worrisome question. Is there any way to oppose or resist this Molech? Is this, as Canadians, our fate and necessity? What can we do given this stubborn fact? Chapter VII opens up a dialogue about the difference between fate/necessity and the good. How, as Canadians, can we live from something higher than what seems to be our dominate fate? Is it possible to get out of the matrix of American liberalism? Lament for a Nation has been called a masterpiece, and it is, for a variety of reasons. The tract for the times moves from the facts of Canadian/American political history, to Canadian/American political philosophy, to theology. It is poignant and pungent prose writing in the best tradition of political pamphlets. How, though, is Lament for a Nation similar and different from Howl, and what can these points of concord and discord tell us about the differences between Canadian and American thought and culture? There are five points of convergence, and five of divergence. First, both Lament and Howl raise serious and substantive objections about the American military industrial complex, the power elite in the USA and the damage done by such an elite in various parts of the world. Second, both write in an intense, committed and accessible manner. Ginsberg can be raw, crude and excessively graphic. Grant was much more polished, incisive and delicately evocative. Grant and Ginsberg do communicate through plain and direct speech, though, as participants in the tough issues of the time rather than as detached and cool-headed observers. Both are on the ice. Neither is in the balcony or bleachers. Third, both men were critical of the liberal bourgeois tradition and a form of American puritanism that justified such a smug view. Ginsberg rebelled against this by indulging all sorts of desires and interests, whereas Grant rebelled against the liberal bourgeois tradition by deepening and ordering his interests and desires towards the highest and noblest things. Both could agree that Locke’s ‘life, liberty and estates’ and Nietzsche’s ‘last man’ was something they did not want to be. They disagreed on the best path to hike when the puritan-bourgeois last man was left behind. Plato is quite different from Whitman, Coleridge from Blake. Grant was for the former, Ginsberg the latter. Allen Ginsberg sent me a couple of letters in the late 1980s (Jan/1/89 & Feb/6/89). The first discussed the Beats, his involvement with Naropa Institute/Buddhism/Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche and his rather negative and reactionary view of the Jewish God. The second letter was a copy of his small book on Blake (Your Reason and Blake’s System). Both the long letter and the missive speak much about Ginsberg’s commitments, and some of the distortions and caricatures he had of other traditions because of such commitments. Both Grant and Ginsberg rebelled against the American empire, puritanism, and the bourgeois tradition, but they turned to different wells to slake the thirst of their deeper longings and questions. Fourth, both men are distinctively and consciously thinking from a religious and theological vision in more than merely a moral sense. Ginsberg begins Howl by saying ‘All these books are published in Heaven,’ and Grant begins Lament by reference to Anglican parish life and ends with a sustained theological reflection on the difference between necessity/fate and the good. Fifth, neither Grant nor Ginsberg offer much of a way out of the problem. Ginsberg can howl and Grant can lament. This might be a good place to start, but it is hardly a positive, creative and constructive way to end. What lies on the far end and other side of howling and lamenting? There are, sadly so, many who begin and end in such a place. If Grant and Ginsberg can meet and greet at this intersection place, where do they part paths and why? It is one thing to agree on what we oppose and desire to say a firm NO to. It is quite another thing to state what we wish to affirm and say YES to. There are many who often agree on what is not wanted, but such people often part paths when a serious discussion (at both a philosophical and practical level) begins on what is desired and wanted. This is where Ginsberg and Grant go in different directions. What are their points of discord and divergence, then? First, Grant was Canadian, and he had a concern and commitment to Canadians and the way Canada is being colonized by the USA. Ginsberg was American, and he had little or no interest in the Canadian political tradition. Lament for a Nation deals with Canadian-American relations in a way Howl does not. When, as Canadians, we know more about Ginsberg than Grant, it speaks much about a way of being colonized. Second, there is no doubt that both Grant and Ginsberg had deep commitments to a moral and mystical religious vision, but Grant, unlike Ginsberg, would have argued that it is important to hold together spirituality and religion rather than fragmenting them. There is a tendency in Ginsberg to fly off into the mystical, visionary and contemplative ether, and, in the process, such things as dogma and institutions are seen as the problem. Needless to say, such a position becomes its own dogma and institution. Ginsberg’s models and teachers were those like Whitman and Blake, whereas for Grant thinkers such as Plato, Augustine, Hooker, Swift, Johnson and Coleridge were his teachers and guides. We can see, therefore, the anti-institutional mindset in Ginsberg, whereas, for Grant, institutions are important even though a critical attitude must always be held towards them. The ideas that underwrite this difference are important to note. Ginsberg’s sense of liberty and individualism dominates the day (all so American) whereas for Grant order and institutions are equally important. Third, although both Ginsberg and Grant howled at and lamented the state of things in the 1950s and 1960s, Grant attempted, through the Progressive Conservative party, to challenge the American empire. Ginsberg never rose much beyond anarchism, protest politics and moral outrage. Grant pointed out, in Lament, how such an approach is both allowed and easily co-opted by the power elites. Those who step out of the formal political process merely facilitate, by their absence, the very thing they protest against. What might seem the moral high ground can be, in fact, a form of grave digging. Fourth, Grant argued that, with the coming to be of liberalism, we faced an ominous challenge. Those like Daniel Bell had argued (and Grant noticed this) that we had come to the end of ideology with liberalism. Francis Fukuyama argued, in the 1990s, updating Bell’s argument, that we had come to the end of history with the end of the Cold War and the victory of liberalism. There is no doubt that both Ginsberg and Grant opposed the unilateralism of American military and corporate power. The aggressive notion of liberty and rugged individualism that underwrote and justified such a stance was abhorrent to both Grant and Ginsberg. But--and this is the catch--Ginsberg used the same Americam notions of liberty and individualism in his anarchist and protest approach as did the power elites. He applied such principles in more of an anti-establishment and, of course, anti-authoritarian way, but the notions of liberty, choice, individualism, protest, and dissent were all there. Grant saw through this charade. Ginsberg was just the other other side of the corporate elite. They just used their liberty and freedom in different ways, but neither disagreed about the priority of the American vision and dream: life, liberty, choice and individualism. Grant dared to question the very philosophic principles of American liberalism, and, as such, hiked a different path than Ginsberg and the Beats. Canadian notions such as law, order and good government take the curious and thoughtful to different places than life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Grant realized that when Canadians uncritically genuflected to the American Beats, they were welcoming the American Trojan Horse into Canada in a more subtle way. There are more ways to be colonized than by mere military and economic pressures. The literary and cultural traditions of the USA (the Beats) have done much to colonize many Canadians, and there have been many Canadian cultural and literary compradors that have facilitated such a process. Grant would have said NO to Ginsberg for the simple reason that Ginsberg was as much a devout and committed American, like a Noam Chomsky, as the very Americans he howled against and opposed. Fifth, Grant was a much more sophisticated thinker than Ginsberg, and there is no doubt that Lament for a Nation is a more substantive work than Howl. The level of political and philosophical depth in Lament opens up vistas of thought that are just not there in Ginsberg and Howl. Howl never rises much beyond rant and reaction, and, sadly so, Ginsberg’s intellectual world tends to polarize between the evil, nasty power elite and the good, pure and loveable anarchist, beat and protest type. It is a simplistic interpretation of reality that Grant was much too wise to bow his uncritical head to. He saw too much, and saw too far, to worship at such a shrine and to such reactionary priests; and he urged Canadians not to turn to such a comic-book view of the world. In sum, Ginsberg and Grant, at first glance, seem to have much in common, but, on deeper and further inspection, have little in common. Both protest against many of the same things. Both agree on many of the things that must be opposed. But, by day’s end, the American Beat anarchism of Ginsberg is quite different from the Canadian High Tory vision of George Grant. It is by understanding such differences that we can see why and how the American and Canadian traditions create and make for different national outlooks. It is somewhat sad and tragic when Canadians know more about American models (and take their leads from such fashions) than they do from their own kith and kind. RD [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on March 27, 2005]

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  1. Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:58 am
    What this pompous ass is doing, in attacking "liberty, choice and individualism" and labeling them as foreign American ideas, is defending authoritarianism, hierarchy, and unconditional deference to elites.

    What is the opposite of liberty? Slavery, servitude.

    What is the opposite of choice? Powerlessness, coercion.

    What is the opposite of individualism? Collectivism.

    Is this what his "High Anglican Tory tradition" is about? Powerless individuals made slaves to the elites who act in the name of the collective? If so, then he can stick it! And if this is what Canadian conservatism is really all about, then it's about time this antiquated model was retired in favour of something less authoritarian and contemptuous of the individual.

  2. Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:13 am
    American is more exclusive than Canada. Canada is more inclusive, so be honest.

  3. Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:48 am
    As someone who was a Canadian New Leftist back in the 60's I admired both Ginsburg and Grant. As a West Coaster, I certainly found the Beats "anarchism" far more to my taste than Grant's Ontario Toryism, - as did everyone else I knew - thought I loved his attack on the US Empire. RD forgets that there has always been an anarchic strain in Canada, we Canucks cannot be reduced to a bunch of Tories, Red or otherwise (thought I do respect the old time conservatives, I do admit) Think of the OBU and the IWW to start with, and of course the 60's movements. There is an awful lot of rubbish written about USians alleged liberalism, libertarianism or anarchism, and Canadians alleged Toryism. I think these are both gross simplifications and if you carefully examine the history of both countries you will see why.

  4. Fri Mar 25, 2005 5:56 am
    Last summer we hiked towards Kerouac's desolation peak and somehow came upon a lake that stopped our progress. The vista was more beautiful than what our imagination supposed lay further up the mountain. We felt no need to conquer the landscape and dominate the lonely peak. My daughters and wife doffed their clothes and enjoyed the nature that was indistinguishable from either side of that imaginary line of nation-hood. Yet, at the same time, we always felt we were in a foreign land. I suppose, this is one of the things we packed in that day, and I was both glad a sad for the realization.

  5. Fri Mar 25, 2005 6:02 am
    The radical, or anarchic streak in Canadian life is fairly strong and was ignored by the Tory tendency in Canadian historical writing which dominated the scene until the 1960s. There was for example, the Masterless Men of Newfoundland, and before them in New France the Courier de bois and "renegade whites"; who joined the Indians. There were the great revolutionaries of 1837 like Papineau, Chenier and MacKenzie and later in the West, Louis Riel, Gabriel Dumont and Henry Jackson. In the 20th Century the Socialist Party of Canada, the proto-syndicalist Western Federation of Miners, the IWW and the OBU along with the various populist movements and a host of utopian socialist colonies like the Finns Sointula and the Doukhabor communes. In the big cities were a scattering of anarchists and libertarian socialists like Albert St Martin and George Woodcock. Even in my youth you would stumble across immigrant survivors from Spain 1936 or the Munich Soviet of 1919. I consider these anarchic types to be better Canadians than most of the Tories of their day, for these people were fighting for independence and democracy, while the Tories still thought themselves English and thought democracy a dangerous American idea.

    As for the American "anarchists", RD does not realize that American radicalism was always within a SOCIAL context. Other than a few mountain men, rugged individualism is a myth. Us Wobbies, anarchists and radicals fought for social reform and wanted industry and society run on a cooperative basis, they were not prototype Randiods who wanted every man for himself. The Beats were the direct descendants of this, the major influence on them, Kenneth Rexroth being a classical anarchist and Gary Snyder was influenced by the IWW.

  6. Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:09 pm
    "...while the Tories still thought themselves English and thought democracy a dangerous American idea."

    And worse yet, the Tories were all about defending the Family Compact, protecting them from competition. After all, competition and meritocracy are too "disorderly". Fixed social hierarchy, established churches, non-competitive commerce, paternalistic nobless oblige and stifling regulation of individual conduct and expression. These things were the "Tory" way. They were the last vertiges of English feudalism, until liberal capitalism (in both its Canadian and American expressions) finally overthrew them.

    Ironically, it was a left-leaning nationalist politician, Pierre Trudeau, who accelerated this transition by developing the Charter of Rights, which despite its one glaring oversight (the NDP-negotiated omission of property rights) gave the individual the ability to defy the whims of the majority with impunity.

    Rights are disruptive. Freedom of expression is disruptive. Individual liberty is disruptive. But sometimes disruption is beneficial, even essential. Order without justice is tyranny. Governments will tend towards tyranny if not kept in check by citizens. Toryism was about submitting to and trusting the government (and the elites who dominate it) like a child does to a parent.

    Protestations of altruism and public-spiritedness (which are always suspect anyway) notwithstanding, people get into electoral politics because they want power over the lives of others. We, as citizens, must give them only enough power to get useful things done for us. We mustn't let them gorge on it.

    Don't let the state-worshippers tell you that theirs is the only true Canadian way.

  7. Fri Mar 25, 2005 7:58 pm
    What Canada is more demoratic? Canada is. Thank you...democracy is overrated.

  8. Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:09 am
    I would partly agree with you here in your following post you adopt the same method of trying to simplify something that is far more complex. Unlike ideology, Torism changed and adapted over time to Canadian realities.

    Sir John A. Macdonald himself rejected the family compacts that represented an attempt to transmit British social institutions to Canada. By Confederation Canadian Torism had been transformed into a new political philosophy that promoted the idea that the role of government was the common good of society as a whole rather than the good of certain vested interests. Macdonald himself accepted the idea of "progressivism" as early as the 1850s.

    Initially Liberalism in Canada promoted the idea of the dictatorship of the majority. This was especially the case with Alexander MacKenzie. They also promoted the idea of provincial sovereignty and closer ties with the United States. The new Conservatives today are a throwback to this form of liberalism.

    Hence, those who are being characterized as Tories today are totally opposite to the Tories of the past. The "old" Canadian Tories supported a strong central government and felt it was necessary to counter the imperialism of the United States. They sought to maintain ties to Britain for the same reason. Stephen Harper does not like to be referred to as a "Tory" and the media and his opponents use the term to deride him. However, in the process they have totally distorted the meaning of Canadian Torism as it stood to around the 1970s.

    The term "Red" Tory only came into vogue when the neo-conservative/classical liberal variety began to take shape in the 1970s as a form of Canadian Republicanism. The "Red" Tory of the 1970s was the classical Canadian Tory of the first hundred years of the post-confederation.

    The merger of the Candian Alliance with the Progressive Conservative Party was designed in part to purge "Red" Torism or classical Canadian conservatism from active politics so as to "conserve" classical liberalism. The result is that what we really have is two liberal parties with regard to their economic policy. That is why socially regressive issues have become so central in distinguishing the two parties. This is particularly true since Paul Martin, a classical liberal, took over the Liberal Party.

    With regard to social policy the Liberals support for the "dictatorship of the majority" gradually declined, especially when the needed "left-wing" or socialist support, although they maintained it with regard to concept of "the spoils of office."

    Trudeau was quite a different kind of liberal and is hard to classify. His monetary policies were definately classical liberal/neo-conservative yet his fiscal policy was primarily Keynesian to socialist. Trying to combine two conflicting economic theories started the deficit, debt, interest rate spiral.

    To come back to my main point is that you cannot define the term "Tory" as meaning the same thing over time. In the 1820s it meant those who supported vested interests, in the 1860s it meant someone who believed in collective social values, general well-being over self-interest, distrust of American imperialism, a watchful eye on the marketplace, and strong central government. As defined today by the talking class a "Tory" promotes provincial automony, weak central government, American values of self-interest and individualism, North American integation, and privately controlled markets.

    Which meaning you want to take depends on which kind of Tory you like or which you dislike. Take you pick.

  9. Sat Mar 26, 2005 5:07 am
    "To come back to my main point is that you cannot define the term "Tory" as meaning the same thing over time. In the 1820s it meant those who supported vested interests, in the 1860s it meant someone who believed in collective social values, general well-being over self-interest, distrust of American imperialism, a watchful eye on the marketplace, and strong central government."

    What the hell are "collective social values"? What does that mean?

    And when I hear about government keeping a "watchful eye on the marketplace", it's usually about them watching out for their cronies, making sure their favourites prevail in the marketplace and engineering monopolies. In short, government "industrial policy" is almost always about winner-picking.

    And what kind of "general well-being" exists outside the context of individual interests? Should not individuals seek their own happiness and prosperity? Why must all benefits flow from government?

    A collective is simply an arbitrary grouping of individuals, each with his/her own interests. Government needs to balance these, but there is no such thing as a "collective interest" that isn't simply an aggregation of individual interests. Why is "self-interest" such a dirty word?

    And our "strong central government" is currently focussed on making sure that its workforce consists almost exclusively of francophones from Quebec. Unless you're from Ontario or Quebec, strong provincial governments are the only thing that will protect your interests.



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