Why Did The Information Not Get Out?

Clearly this and other catastrophes is the fault of George Bush's evil environmental agenda. He thought we would miss the disaster and decided early to keep it hush-hush. Anyone who has seen a Hollywood movie knows that global warming causes earthquakes and tsunamis as well as global warming freezing. The science is out there for all to see. Don't let so-called climate experts with their facts and figures tell you any different. Even the UN who's never ever wrong backs me on this one. It's all George Bush's fault.

If you have nothing intelligent to offer don't feel that you must contribute anyway. Try to keep to the topic. If the facts are stated incorrectly, correct them. Don't ramble off wordily hoping that you will distract everybody else from being able to comprehend the article.

Anyone who clicks on the links to this topic to read more will find "Made It Happen On Purpose" about how Bush and Co. "knew the attacks on New York were coming and let them happen". The same article also contains this link - "Did New York Orchestrate the Asian Tsumani?" If you want to discuss things rationally you should start the debate with something that 95% of us would find sane. I'm surprised that you took me on and let the grossest, looniest arguments I've heard go unchallenged.

So challenge the argument with facts instead of innuendo about how everybody is always accusing poor Georgie of everything.

It was not a matter of Bush and the band of guarded republicans knowing that the attacks were on 9/11 where coming. It is a matter of who on the inside of the White House aided in stopping what up until that day had been no more than an 11 min air force response time to intercept any plane in the north east airspace, one minute after scheduled flight path had been departed. It would take some one with the authority too be allowed to have controll of the Presidents emergancy war operations room. Gee who could that be. Bush was in Florida demonstrating his ability to read from an upside-down grade one reader. I guess that leaves Cheney?

Fellow Rightie, let's be real conservatives for a minute:

Conspiracy-theory conclusions aside, the main fact presented is in the title of
the article: "why did the information not get out".

To set aside the typical, smug, oh-no-its-George-the-big-bad-wolf
response and argue facts, lets just start with that one because the public
record clearly supports it.

So:

1) The information did not get out.

Now, let's give a short leash to the author and accept some other facts:
various scientific and military bodies around the world have monitoring
equipment that is supposed to be able to catch this stuff (I'm going to
downgrade it to "supposed to", bear with me).

Which leads to the non-consipracy explanation:

2) The monitoring equipment didn't do its job, or the people who saw it doing
its job didn't react in time.

Now, post 9/11 we watched your pal George and his fellow democratizers
break the bank to try and make sure the innocent "intelligence failure" that
led to 9/11 didn't happen again. That is, the aforementioned equipment and
procedures really ought to have noticed a massive earthquake like that, if
they're going to pick up on the next terrorist gambit in time to pay off in
terms of providing actual security.

For a real conservative, "intelligence failure, need to spend more" should work
*once*, especially after the absurd amount of money spent and the
encroachments of Big Governnment. The second time the excuse is used,
even if you believe in the mission, you've gotta start thinking about putting
someone else in charge. I'm being liberal here, ignoring the Chinese
Embassy bombing in Belgrade as another case study in this strategy.

So, whether it's the nominally "un-republican" global military interventionism
or out of control deficit spending, you'd think:

a) if all that post 9/11 intelligence/military spending didn't just leave on the
gravy train with George's pals, it might have maybe caught this

b) George and co. should be eager to score the points from saving the world.
Certainly there's more to gain at this point in foreign policy from providing
"pre-emptive" humanitarian assistance than from "letting it happen". They
were certainly eager to reap the PR from sending military aid, so quick they
even let Condi stick her foot in her mouth before Karl could proof-read.

So, fine, let's snicker at the conspiracy theory. But how's about putting the
GO back in GOP and asking where all that money went?

Suppose we draw the line somewhere between incompetent spend-o-crat and
devious conspirator, and suppose the white house just Mr. Dithered (again)
for 30 minutes. Then nice going Karl, you missed your "Mission
Accomplished" moment.

Doesn’t all technology have some glitches? It is tragic what happened and I am truly sorry for those who lost loved ones.
Is it in any way sane to go and blame someone for a natural disaster? Puleaze! Bush is an ass, yes. His grammar and word choice is pretty idiotic...yes. Still, I cannot see anyone being held responsible for a glitch in a seismic system or for getting a scientist to fabricate a report or statement. The article does state that “The failures are by no means limited to the US seismic network”.
There is no merit in an argument that states one thing then goes on to a conspiracy theory that states its polar opposite.


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"The wind mocks me"- JA

How do you know it was a "natural " disaster. Cause someone told you and because you accept their opinion as valid?

This is, without a doubt, the most ridiculous posting ever put on this site. And that is saying something. This one is even better than "drunken American soldier kills Iraqi tiger". Or US uses napalm and nerve gas in Falluja.

Let's assume for a minute the US did plant some nukes in the trench. And let's assume that they were trying to knock out the Indian military or the Indonesian rebels or whatever... does anyone think China or India or Russia would not notice a nuke going off even if it is under the ocean? If this was even suspected, the Russians would have their subs out there combing the trench for radiation. As would the Chinese and Indians. There is no love for the US in any of these places, and they all stand to gain if they can show the US in poor light.

The scenes of devastation and the enormous loss of life would have even the Americans themselves turn against their own government if this could be proven.

Do you all sit at home alone at night and think this stuff up by yourselves, or do you collectively get together to brainstorm?

Are you new? Were you born yesterday? Didn't you notice that the media reports only the party line? The article asks why no investigation of the failure of the system has been undertaken. One of the comments made about the article talks about the possibility of warnings not being issued on purpose. Also mentioned is the possibility of the quake being manmade. Warnings that were issued stated over and over that no tsunami was expected. Of course when you have no investigation and people running around saying "how stupid to think that this could be done on purpose without being discovered by X, Y and Z" and other people saying " nothing is perfect, technology doesn't always work" you have the perfect conspiracy scenario. Have we forgotten how to investigate events? Are we capable of investigating anything anymore? Is there some reason why an investigation shouldn't be undertaken to determine why such an expensive extensive warning system could fail to generate accurate warnings of a catastrophic event?

Actually, if there was a nuclear bomb cause to the tsunami it s much more likely to have been set by the australians or the french. Both nations have used underwater bomb testing, despite the world's horror. In the end, though, the human cause for this event is impossible: the size of the jolt was larger than dozens of nuclear bombs. The radiation left over would be killing millions as we speak. I haven't heard mention of any such thing, have you?

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"Extensive, expensive warning system didn't work". So extensive and so expensive is that warning system that it in fact doesn't exist in the first place. That is why Thailand, Sri Lanka, India, Indonesia and several first world countries are proposing that they put one in place. There is no existing warning system with a communications apparatus that could have informed the populations that this was coming and they needed to evacuate. Even the US military bases were told of the earthquake (and possibility of a tsunami) AFTER the waves had already passed Guam. <br />
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Here's some links for your education. <br />
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<a href="http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2005/Feb/08-289044.html">http://usinfo.state.gov/gi/Archive/2005/Feb/08-289044.html</a><br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=453072">http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=453072</a><br />
<a href="http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/247-01172005-433874.html">http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/247-01172005-433874.html</a><br />
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If you need more, let me know, or do yourself a favour and learn to discern fact from fiction and reality from baseless lies. Oh, and in closing, just because the general media reports it, that doesn't make it true, but it also doesn't make it false. More often than not, they are close to the truth. <br />

Blah blah blah, the fact is that there are numerous satellite, land and ocean based observation systems in operation. Not only that, warnings were immediately issued( check the article for a short list of who did what and when). The fact is that accurate warnings could have and should have been issued. They were not. Different excuses were offered by the mass media. They changed their story as the disaster developed. Perhaps you should spend a little time researching what actually happened.

The thrust of the story is that a number of organizations from a number of countries failed or refused to issue accurate warnings. The severity of the earthquake was downplayed, warnings repeatedly stated that a tsunami warning was not being issued. Why?

Where are these observation systems? Who owns them, who operates them, out of which countries and under what budget? Please Milton, tell me, as I can't find a single one that operates out of the Eastern Rim. These is ONE system set up to monitor the Pacific coast of the US and up into Alaska operated by the US Geological Survey. There is nothing else like it in the world.

You are correct in stating that the thrust of the story is that there were warnings aplenty. But that's all it is, a story, sort of like the Princess Bride but without the happy ending. The real fact is that you have no facts, nothing but conjecture to implicate that there was a conspiracy.

Blah, blah, blah indeed.