Personality Tests For Traumatized Troops Called Unnecessary

Posted on Sunday, July 02 at 12:52 by RPW
http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/06/28/trauma-military.html As far as I am concerned, this government is (once again) following in the footsteps of the Bush administration, this time with the latter's vile treatment of its military with cutbacks in benefits, and refusal to treat many there for PTSD. Moreover, this is being ordered in Canada by the same people who will never "step up to the plate" and offer some sacrifice for this "war" we are fighting, yet hold the power to manipulate those who do. In fact, these selfsame people stand to benefit greatly by the war on terror, because the billions that it costs is being spent SOMEWHERE, folks. In World War I, soldiers who exhibited "shell shock" were commonly executed for cowardice and desertion. As Private W. Hay remarked: "...you were between the devil and the deep blue sea. If you go forward, you`ll likely be shot, if you go back you`ll be court-martialled and shot, so what the hell do you do? What can you do? You just go forward because that`s the only bloke you can take your knife in, that`s the bloke you are facing..." http://www.greatwar.nl/ http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world_war_one_executions.htm In later years, this callous treatment of primarily non-commissioned ranks, was condemned. But it seems there are those among us today who still believe that victims of "shell shock" are shirkers, and these people are far more cruel than the imperious generals of WWI who ordered the executions. They are far more cruel because, back then a firing squad at least put the victims out of of their misery. Today, they are just......spit upon and forgotten. Yes, spit upon and forgotten by the very people who would not have made the billions they did (and continue to do), and who are so niggardly with their "blood money", that they cannot throw a few shekels into the pot to help those who did "step up to the plate".

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  1. by avatar Milton
    Sun Jul 02, 2006 8:57 pm
    Good post RPW. Here is our government doing what they do best, giving everything to corporate interests while taking away as much as possible from the rank and file.

    I wondered what would happen when our troops came back from the shock and awful wars of aggression that our government dispatched them to. The first thing our government does is obfuscate their suffering by claiming that it is mental and not the result of multiple physical insults to the body via multiple vaccines, depleted uranium weaponry fall out and let us not forget chemtrail fall out.

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    "Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth."
    (Albert Einstein)

  2. Sun Jul 02, 2006 9:24 pm
    In Canada the Vet is only mentioned on paper. If it "shows well", then that is the maximum extent it will go. No mention of the few Canadians in Vietnam nor those who served in Korea. No responce to those who spent years trying to get help for damage done to them. We gave up years ago and continue on with life. Today the results are publicized BEFORE the years can hide them and before they can bureaucratically hide them completely. Just give them time and they will. The reason for the tests are to reduce the applicants and the number of files to get rid of. They don't want these boys coming back years later asking for help.

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  3. Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:52 am
    This is the response I would expect from those mindless individuals that have no qualms about sending others out to fight for their financial portfolios and escalator ride to the top of the social ladder. It would even stand to reason to have our military become warriors as it would be more likely they would be killed "over there" than someone have to "deal" with them here when they come home as damaged equipment.

    Maybe some of us need to lobby for O'Connor having a personality test to reassure us that he IS A PERSON!

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    "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

  4. by RPW
    Mon Jul 03, 2006 2:06 am
    <blockquote>Maybe some of us need to lobby for O'Connor having a personality test to reassure us that he IS A PERSON!</blockquote>Maybe ALL politicians should be required to take personality tests......no telling <b>WHERE</b> home-grown terrorism may spring from............and we certainly wouldn't want any to infiltrate the ranks of our political leadership.<p>---<br>"It's not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes." <br />
    - Joseph Stalin

  5. by shagya
    Mon Jul 03, 2006 1:13 pm
    I've always thought that politicians fall into two broad categories (with a little "indeterminacy" around the edges). The first are the 'Simpletons' a species particularly notable among Conservatives in Saskatchewan although offshoots have been found randomly parasitizing other parties on an increasing basis in recent years. The original "Grant Devine" strain of stupidity sees its most obvious expression in Stockwell "Dancing with Dinosaurs" Day. The other is the borderline personality type occasionally morphing into a full blown sociopathy. Pierre Trudeau was the "classic" example of type with Stephen Harper the more extreme. Some interbreeding between these two groups is possible although the two phenotypes are still distinguishable to the careful observer.

  6. Mon Jul 03, 2006 3:13 pm
    Those people are weak. If you're in the military and cannot take a lil combat stress get out. I know 4 soldiers at my unit, with so called PDS. 2 are sucking the system 1 is just well weak from day one and the other, well who knows. He was in the camp most of the time, he may have seen too many movies.

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    27 in the military, 9 tours.

  7. by RPW
    Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:00 pm
    WWI produced an estimated 80,000 cases of "shell shock", out of about 50 million combatants. These are only estimates, as many, apparently like you, don't believe such a thing exists...........

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    "It's not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes."
    - Joseph Stalin

  8. Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:13 pm
    Actual combat changes everybody's psychology. Some boast about it, as the greatest experience of their lives, some will never mention it again and lock it up in their minds, and so on and on. Licencing to kill others and watching your friends die like butchered animals will always leave a mark.
    No normal person and mind can dismiss such events without some form of change.

    My own experience, at 17, was very short, only a few weeks of combat, but even now, 61 years later, there are scenes and events, that were completely wiped from my memory. E.g. I remember how we broke out of encirclement by getting behind a Russian tank, pretending to be Russian infantry, I can remember that the tank had a shot off muffler and blue flame was shooting out of the exhaust pipe, but I don't know what happened later? What happened to the tank, how we left it behind and how did we reach our own lines? I've been thinking about this for 61 years and still have no answer. I talked to other veterans who also experienced the same mental blackouts under extreme danger and stress.

    But the real shelshock for me came in the hospital, seeing the real horrors of war, when I had time to think and wake up to the crimes of politics and wars, having lost everthing and finding that all my previous life and education were lies.

    Standing by an operating table, holding the legs of about a 100 guys as they were amputated and reamputated was that lead me into history and economics and changed my whole world. All red hot war lovers should try it for a while and see how they like it.

    Or taking handless kids to the lavatory and helping them to take a leak and wiping their bottoms. I know, military nurses are doing it all the time, but so should the shooting
    heroes.

    Ed Deak.

  9. by shagya
    Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:10 pm
    Well said as usual. My own experience in the military was only a year in cadets. Seeing some of the loonies in my squad made me think what these people might be like under real field conditions. Normal folks don't handle this kind of thing very well. If that is "weakness" then too bloody bad. My parents, both in their eighties, were in the second world war ( one on each side ) and have told me some ugly stuff, like trying to get a relative out of a Russian prison camp and hearing the screaming of German prisoners being tortured. Field duty ( as you pointed out) including burning amputated limbs in a gasoline pit. Lots of other stuff. Accidently running over a child with a three ton truck,etc.etc. Normal people do not want to talk over this stuff and they DON'T think it is particularly heroic. That's TV bullshit.

  10. Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:25 pm
    As I read the replies to Armyguy&#8217;s vitriol I wonder in whose employ he is.
    The dumbed down macho stance he portrays is mostly over the top of human decency,
    RPW Ed Deak, shagya, all voted up


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  11. Sat Jul 08, 2006 12:58 pm
    The problem is Dio, is it is so easy to say "I'm Stressed out. As I stated, some, just milk the system. I do have 2 friends that were in Bosnia, Engineers. That have real PDS. The weak ones are those that MILK THE SYSTEM.

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    27 in the military, 9 tours.

  12. Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:00 pm
    Ed
    What unit were you with? Russian Tanks?

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    27 in the military, 9 tours.

  13. by RPW
    Sun Jul 09, 2006 6:27 pm
    9 tours of what......the West Edmonton Mall? You mean you can't tell wht Mr. Deaks was part of?

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    "It's not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes."
    - Joseph Stalin

  14. Sun Jul 09, 2006 7:48 pm
    Hey dickhead.
    Russian Tanks? If you knew your history, Who did he fight for the Russians? The only time the Russians and Brits met were at the end of the war. My father was in WW2, and never said anything about Russians fighting on the western frontage.

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    27 in the military, 9 tours.



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