Jeremy Hinzman: Why I Deserted

Posted on Thursday, February 09 at 10:53 by Eleanor
Once again, America is in a conflict that was not based on its being under imminent threat. What is at stake is geopolitics and ideology. At this point in the Iraq War, more American soldiers have died than at the same point during the Vietnam conflict. While being vastly superior in technology and manpower, America faces an enemy that has an unconventional way of fighting. A growing number of American soldiers have decided that they are unwilling to kill or be killed without a tangible reason. This is remarkable in a period when, unlike the late sixties, not every facet of society is being questioned. However, one issue in the current discontent was not present 30 years ago: America no longer has a draft. Except those who have served extraordinarily long, every American soldier who now serves had freely signed a contract for a specified length of time. Because no state coercion was involved, many who would otherwise be sympathetic argue that these soldiers, unlike draftees, have lost the right to question orders, no matter how moral or immoral, legal or illegal they may be. http://www.peacemagazine.org/archive/v21n4p25.htm

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  1. Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:57 pm
    I see nothing wrong with refusing to participate in an unjust, imperialist war. The US military is not the people`s military for protecting the USA, it has become the corporate-fascist military protecting American fortunes, done so on the backs of the poor!

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    Dave Ruston

  2. Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:29 pm
    If you don't want to participate in wars, don't sign up for the military. This guy wasn't drafted. He volunteered.

    As the article states, there were 50,000 who fled the military during Vietnam. We have 12 or so during this war. Obviously, the US has corrected part of it's issue in forcing people to fight for what they don't believe in by eliminating the draft. However, the soldiering profession is not one that subscribes itself to second guessing.

    While I feel sorry for Hinzman and can empathize with his wish not to participate in the war, I also don't feel that Canada owes him anything. His fear of persecution is based on his legitimate fear of jail, for a crime of desertion. Just because we didn't choose to participate in the war, doesn't mean we take an active side against the US government. They are mutually exclusive actions.

  3. Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:35 pm
    "His fear of persecution is based on his legitimate fear of jail, for a crime of desertion. Just because we didn't choose to participate in the invasion of Poland, doesn't mean we take an active side against the German government."

    While not exactly comparing the US to the Nazis, I think I have nonetheless made my point. We have an ethical duty to defend people who refuse to be involved in war crimes.

  4. by julius
    Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:40 pm
    I actually saw Jeremy speak at a Council of Canadians meeting last year, and i was surprised by the amount of support members were willing to give him. I personally believe the war is wrong and illegal, and I am aware of the financial situation many of these guys come from, nonetheless I think that when you join the army, common sense says that your not only being trained in how to use "cool toys" but your being trained to kill people, and that is your purpose. There was not a draft called in the States, and if he decides that he doesnt want to go to war because it is illegal, he can stay here if he wants, but should get any more help from our country then people who are born here, live here and are stuck in poverty.
    My impression before he even went up to speak was that he was obviously a pretty messed up guy, im not sure what that is due to, but it seems that he definatly suffers from some sort of mental shock.
    People need to take responsibility for their actions, its good hes not willing to fight an illegal war, but since he wasnt forced to do so, he should be receiving handouts. There are many more people in this country who are much more deserving of help then Jeremy.

  5. Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:48 pm
    But the point still remains: don't sign up to be a warrior if you have no intention of participating in war. Its no sceret to anyone that the US military spends a lot of time in conflict. I congratulate and respect Jeremy Hinzman for arriving at the conclusions that he has about the war in Iraq and I think he should take the lumps he knew he had coming to him when he decided to desert. Leave the precious few spaces reserved for refugees in this country open for genuine refugees.

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    "The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know." --Sun Tzu

  6. Thu Feb 09, 2006 9:51 pm
    Sorry, my point was for anarcho; I was just a little late on the submission.

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    "The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know." --Sun Tzu

  7. Fri Feb 10, 2006 2:22 am
    ""If you don't want to participate in wars, don't sign up for the military. This guy wasn't drafted. He volunteered.""

    He volunteered to protect his country. There is no question that the invasion of Iraq was not for the "defence" of the USA nor should be considered a "war". Iraq was not on the offensive nor declared war. Granted, Hinzman should have been aware of his own countries reputation. Perhaps he was swallowed up by the American's old adage's.

  8. Fri Feb 10, 2006 6:35 am
    'This guy wasn't drafted. He volunteered.'
    I don't know the details of Hinzman's case but much of today's cannon fodder is provided by the economic draft. Lower class youth are steered towards the military by lack of other opportunities. This is largely the result of their government's policy of taking from the poor and giving to the rich. I wish Canada could provide opportunities for some of those disadvantaged kids and thus prevent them from dieing for the sake of war profiteers.

  9. Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:49 pm
    Huh?

    I believe we did take an active side against the Germans actually.

  10. Fri Feb 10, 2006 4:53 pm
    With only 60,000 troops, I don't think you can actually say that we are taking advantage of the poor to serve in our military. Your original point seemed to point to the US practice, but your latter seems to make the same correlation to Canada. As for taking in America's poor, I really don't think we can absorb double our population.



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