The Beginning Of The End

Do read the entire article folks, it is well worth it. It is nothing new to those who have paid attention to the "Conservative Party" record, but the mainstream media has not exactly been reporting on this.

thanks for the tip
shaky foundation!


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"There is no reason good can't triumph over evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the mafia."
Kurt Vonnegut

Well it is a good article, but couldn't it be applied to all parties ?

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Good government is not a party government

Yeah-uh. Why is David Orchard continously given space to whine and complain about Peter McKay and Stephen Harper? This is nothing new, and he clearly shows his true colours by taking up Paul Martin's cross of fear and doom if the Conservatives should win. First, the country will not come to an end if the Conservatives win. This fear-mongering is no different than the Liberal lie that there can be no Canada without Quebec.

To blame the Conservatives for an upcoming referendum in Quebec is a lie, no different than the lie claiming Stephen Harper received campaign finances from Conservatives in the United States. The Liberal Party of Canada, first through the Sponsorship Scandal and again during this campaign calling the January 23rd vote a referendum on soveriegnty, is solely to blame for any upcoming referendum in Quebec.

I cannot think of a better situation, involving an English Canadian Prime Minister truly representing Canada in Quebec for a change. It has been clear that Quebec Liberals are incompetent and unable to dissolve the cloud of separatism hanging over the province of Quebec. If an English Canadian Prime Minister is unable to keep Quebec within the rest of Canada, if the people of Quebec are unwilling to listen to an English Canadian leader, then separation is a forgone conclusion.

Mr. Orchard should also be aware of comments made by Paul Martin and Liberal candidates such as Michael Ignatieff and potential leadership candidates such as John Manley on the everything from the Iraq War to deep integration to same sex marriage to abortion. You'll find when examining their positions and their comments that many of them are nearly identical to the personal views of Conservative MP's and candidates. If holding the personal views of party supporters and candidates against a party is enough to damn that party, the Liberals are as guilty as the Conservatives.

Liberals are the only ones talking about abortion. The only Liberals that will be left in the next Parliament will be Liberals who favour making abortion illegal along with gay marriage. And Paul Martin is calling on these people to defend minority rights? Why hasn't the media reported the fact that Stephen Harper accepted the leadership of the Canadian Alliance on the condition that abortion would be left out of the party's platform? Funny. Hold the Conservatives to account, but don't intentionally leave out the Liberals.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies" - George Bernard Shaw

David Orchard is welcome anywhere there's discussion about the
Canadian situation. Who else has given so much of his life to the
study and support of what's best in Canadian history? Who has
served Canada so unselfishly, out of a sincere conviction rather
than for power, prestige, or money?

I joined the old Prog Conservative Party when David's star rose. I
thought that he was speaking the truth, from a depth of
understanding. I thought he might possibly pull the old historic
party into the 21st century. He did make a wonderful showing in
that race against Joe Clark. But there were -- and are -- poisonous
elements within the rightwing that won't let such a person thrive. It's
a pity. But I saw that deadly poison. It's there. And David Orchard
was one of the rare ones who pitted everything he had, against
that poison.

So I say he's welcome anywhere in Canada. And we're honoured
to hear his words again.

David Orchard is welcome anywhere there's discussion about the
Canadian situation. Who else has given so much of his life to the
study and support of what's best in Canadian history? Who has
served Canada so unselfishly, out of a sincere conviction rather
than for power, prestige, or money?

I joined the old Prog Conservative Party when David's star rose. I
thought that he was speaking the truth, from a depth of
understanding. I thought he might possibly pull the old historic
party into the 21st century. He did make a wonderful showing in
that race against Joe Clark. But there were -- and are -- poisonous
elements within the rightwing that won't let such a person thrive. It's
a pity. But I saw that deadly poison. It's there. And David Orchard
was one of the rare ones who pitted everything he had, against
that poison.

So I say he's welcome anywhere in Canada. And we're honoured
to hear his words again.

Great article right until the bit about the Liberals being the only party capable of keeping Canada together. While they may do a decent job of keeping Quebec within Canada, they are at the same time selling us out to the Americans.

Voting Liberal or Conservative is the same thing in the end. Voting Green, NDP, CAP or other - that's how you as a citizen will help save Canada.

I would rather you vote Green of course but I am biased...

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

David Orchard is a good man but he believed he could make changes politically.<br />
Having met him at an after speech gathering, one could feel his passion. <br />
But the deck is stacked and he hadn’t a chance.<br />
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I understand Wayne Coady’s concerns and have watched from the sidelines as good and well intended people get ripped to shreds.<br />
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There is merit in some of what Wayne’s group believes in (don’t tell him I said so he’s confused enough as it is) and what it will take is a critical mass ala’ the Hundredth Monkey ( <a href="http://www.worldtrans.org/pos/monkey.html">http://www.worldtrans.org/pos/monkey.html</a> ) before the concept takes hold, if it ever does.<br />
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I did a brief search on Jassi Singh and he is dogged by undercover agents, labelled as an agitator, agent provocateur, jailed and g*d know what else. Who knows, maybe Ghandi was an influence on him, he is also identified as an Anarchist, but Anarchist have short shelf life.<br />
Maybe Edward de Bono is onto something with his “Handbook for a Positive Revolution” of perhaps Tom Robbins has it right in “Even Cowgirls get the Blues”,<br />
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page 227 <br />
‘You’re strong and smart and have taught us much. Come with us and join the movement,” <br />
“This movement of yours, does it have slogans?” inquired the Chink.<br />
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“Right on! “they cried. And they quoted him some.<br />
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“Your movement, does it have a flag?” asked the Chink.<br />
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“You bet!” And they described their emblem.<br />
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“And dose your movement have leaders?” <br />
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“Great leaders.”<br />
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“Then shove it up your butts,” said the Chink.<br />
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“I have taught you nothing,” He skipped down to the creek to gather watercress<br />
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Misguided fools behave as above and when they are given a gift of knowledge will not see it for what it is ,instead the will label it, try to figure it out and not having any sense, like those above will buy into any shit that comes along. And the universe unfolds as it should…<br />
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…Or does it?<br />
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<p>---<br>"There is no reason good can't triumph over evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the mafia." <br />
Kurt Vonnegut

Roy Whyte Quote "Voting Liberal or Conservative is the same thing in the end. Voting Green, NDP, CAP or other - that's how you as a citizen will help save Canada"

Really pray tell what make the NDP anymore creditable that the other two parties. You must have forgotten about Bingo Gate or the Premier who got the free construction work for a Casino deal. So based on your remark and how you all have been rating the creditability of parties, that would leave the Green Party and the Canadian Action Party on the ballot.

Now please tell me what is in either of those parties that would insure that the candidate who runs under that parties name, would not be beholding to that party ? In other words where in their constitution / rules / bylaws is it written that the candidate is free to act on behalf of all constituents , even those who are not party members?

Then tell me what the purpose of that party is ? What do you see in any of these two parties that would guarantee any Canadian access to them once elected, where is it written in any of these two parties documentation that we can hold them accountable for any wrong doing while in office and I do not mean holding them accountable by voting them out of power either.

I want to know if any of these parties are willing to put in place a legal binding contract that give the citizens the power to sue their party for wrong doing , for not following through on an election promise, for abuse of power and for acting in bad faith.?

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Good government is not a party government

The Green Party has been wonderful to me in that they have allowed me the freedom to run my campaign as I wanted. I am running on Canada's only truly direct democracy platform. If elected my constituents get to vote on all major issues, have the right to recall, and to form riding level referendums.

The Greens have supported me all along. They know up front that I will vote as my constituents want me to vote. Example - the Port Mann bridge expansion in Greater Vancouver - I am the only Green that supports some form of expansion of the bridge. Why? Because that is what the majority of my constituents want, and it is in direct opposition to the position of the party.

As for my comments about the NDP - they have some very good people working for them, and I know I could trust them to do the right thing. I may run for the Greens, but I will call them as I see them - the NDP was by far the most responsible, and effective party in the last government. They should have included pro-rep-gov in their requirement list to the liberals for saving their skins, but that is a different topic.

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If there was ever a time for Canadians to become pushy - now is the time - for time is running out on this nation called Canada.

Roy can I find all this in the parties constitation/rules and bylaws. I looked but I cannot seem to find. Now what you are saying about the NDP having saome ggod people in the party this might very well be true. But Roy when I was a member it was a rule that the candidate had to follow the party line.. when did they take that rule out.

So now I understand why you support the present political party system.. you are part of it.

I hope you try to understand why I cannot support such a self serving , self regulated system. By the way why are these parties afraid to sign an agreement with the citizens of this country , stating that if they screw up and do an illegal act, we reserve the right to sue the entire party. Maybe the parties should be required to post a trust bond, lets say dollar for dollar, insuring that the tax payer will have their $1.75 secured. If the party takes in a million based on the $1.75 per vote to their party, the party put up a bond equal to.

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Good government is not a party government

Wayne, you do support the party system. You just pretend to be removed from it, like some little kid playing make believe games. You prattle on and on about saving $1.75 as though this would result in anything meaningful. You advise those who might vote for parties other than the Conliberals to do nothing and you claim this would result in a change of behaviour by the conlibs because they are so respectful of the populations true feelings. You appear to be a muddler by trade, possibly in the service of one of the political parties you supposedly despise.

Two words - "sore loser". Of course, it's not surprising to hear Orchard speak highly of Pierre Trudeau. After all, it's Trudeau who put him up to his attempt to drag the PC Party to the left.

Don't you think that someone as obviously left-wing as yourself joining the PC Party to support David Orchard speaks volumes as to the inappropriateness of his candidacy? Thanks for demonstrating so clearly that Orchard was running for the leadership of the wrong party.