Canada Must Look Elsewhere

Posted on Saturday, October 14 at 07:59 by abacus
Unfortunately, this attitude has now reached even a lot of average Americans, who take at face value anything their president tells them, and as a result they too are becoming more and more anti-Canadian. In one of the posts on my blog I mentioned right-wing blogger Fred Witzell, who is based in, can you guess it, Texas. In an online exchange with me, he called Canadians bastards in so many words and let his bigotry flow freely. When looking for answers to this new US-Canadian relationship, blaming it all on 9/11 and Canada's refusal to go to war in Iraq is less of a reason than the United States' current and future economic mess. The US debt and defict have reached astronomical proportions under Bush and are now at a point where it really does not matter anymore if those indicators are measured or not. The deficit and debt are now so high that one might just as well add a couple of more zeros, and it would not make any difference in realistic terms. Their debt is so gigantic that it has become completely impossible to ever repay. Those economic woes may therefore offer a better explanation as to why so many Americans have begun bashing Canada. If your own house is not in order, you will try to divert attention by maligning others. Canada is tops in the G7 group of industrialized giants in terms of economic performance, leaving the US behind in the dust. No doubt this is bruising some egos south of the border. The United States is destined for a very hard landing soon, with probably several years of a major recession, if not a depression. Canada will be affected by it, but not as much as it would have been in the past. It is therefore of the utmost importance that Canada start looking elsewhere for political and economic partners. The EU, for example, is the most prominent candidate on that list. Canadians are extremely European in their mentality and outlook. Besides, the population of the EU area is greater than that of the US. Imagine the potential market that could be tapped for Canadian goods and services. Over the last decades, Canada has neglected, and even discouraged, the influx of European immigrants, but recruiting Europeans should become a major priority again. Europeans tend to be much better educated, possess crucial skills and are generally at least bilingual. Once they have landed in Canada, those immigrants could play a vital role in strengthening and expanding Canada's ties with the Old World. It would not take very long before the EU area could become a much more important trading partner for Canada. No one will replace the US in the number one spot in the foreseeable future, but the EU could easily come up to second place. With a country such as Turkey trying to join the EU club, it is safe to assume that an application for EU membership by Canada would be given preferential and favourable treatment in Brussels. Canada already has observer status with the Council of Europe, so why not aim a bit higher and seek EU membership? Equipped with an EU passport, Canadians, who are resourceful and versatile, could go anywhere in the EU and work without having to go through a lengthy immigration or visa-granting process. This would be mutually beneficial to the EU and Canada. Unless it wants to risk being dragged down by the future troubles in the United States, Canada should start looking for new options. Diversification is one of those great keywords thrown about in the business world all the time. Perhaps it is time we did the same as a nation.

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  1. Sat Oct 14, 2006 3:33 pm
    More than anything it's the business community that creates these misplaced "loyalty" issues. When we see our companies being bought up by foreigners (mostly USAmericans) we feel betrayed by our "countrymen" and we are not seeing how many Canadians are buying in the USA which most surely is creating some resentment amoung the "we're the richest, greatest, smartest" crowd. And being as this outspoken anti-Canada rant came from a Texan one can really start to analyze where that is coming from with Alberta now becoming the jewel in the US oil-crown. (gag)

    Until we find a less expensive way to move the goods of the world we had better start learning how to get along better with the US. We could end up depending on each other for survival because no one can afford to leave the continent for goods that will have become too expensive to go after. We could start looking at undermining the corporate control that has made these combative issues our personal issues that really do not make sense when looked at rationaly. We end up putting our disgust onto the wrong sector and we could be very powerful as a non-consumer group to regain the proper control that is necessary over the corporate elite.

    Even though I loathe the NAU/SPP if the middle class could take back control of the world there could be some "good" sharing and negotiating take place both for our survival and the survival of the planet. Globalization could be a good thing put in the hands of the majority of those that would be affected by it.

    Could go on but have to run.



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    "And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

  2. Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:03 pm
    “When we see our companies being bought up by foreigners (mostly USAmericans) we feel betrayed by our "countrymen" and we are not seeing how many Canadians are buying in the USA which most surely is creating some resentment amoung the "we're the richest, greatest, smartest" crowd.”

    If you can get your head around it…
    The problem, again, lies with the thinking!
    Businessmen, corporations and consortiums have loyalty to profit and little else. All this hogwash about nationality went out the window when Traders could travel the seas and stumble on what the greater world has to offer. When corporations achieved the status of persons was the final nail in the coffin.
    Money goes where it will multiply and nationality has sfa to do with it!
    Look at the title of this thread.

    "Canada Must Look Elsewhere"

    BULL HOOEY!
    Strictly speaking "Canada" is an inanimate land mass and as brainless as some of the inhabitants
    "Canada" when it is used so loosely as has become the custom implies ownership and a sense of belonging to, both in camaraderie and in the sense of being a possession of of. It is a state and a state of mind, or if you will a state of what passes for thinking.





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    Diogenes said:
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

  3. by Wraun
    Sat Oct 14, 2006 5:48 pm
    Canada, as an entity - as a collection of businesses which must buy & sell goods & services in order to maintain an acceptable standard of living for the inhabitants of the nation - should be "looking elswhere". Not necessarily to join another trading bloc or even for a different market do all of our business in. Shipping of course, is the major factor and costs, both economically and environmentally have to be considered but I think we should be doing more business with the Europeans. Competition for our goods among buyers would be as good for Canada as competition among suppliers is for anyone. We must reserve the right to sell whatever to whomever, whenever we choose.

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    Everybody got to deviate from the norm

  4. by Deacon
    Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:34 pm
    If it really came down to it, Canada could do the vast majority of it herself.

    Just what precisely do we really NEED the US for anyways?

    We have more than enough natural resources, so that's out.

    We have more than enough energy resources, so that's out too.

    We can buy our food from other nations, or if needs be, even grow it ourselves in greenhouses. Granted this would require huge investments in geothermal power generation but it is quite possible.

    Travel destination?

    I can name a dozen nations I'd rather visit than the US, and for far less money.

    No, far as I can see, the only people who really NEED the United States in any real way shape or form are political leaders and those members of the business class who are too cheap to actually build their factories etc in Canada.

    The US, in it's current state is nothing more than a resource siphon that consumes far more of earth's resources than they have any need or right to.

    Quite bluntly, we would be better off without them.

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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  5. Sat Oct 14, 2006 7:40 pm
    Wraun,<br />
    My apologies Bro, <br />
    I see the model as flawed.<br />
    <br />
    Land fills are filled with the waste due to over production. Advertising sells us pretty things we don&#8217;t really need to ease our insecurities.<br />
    Profit is the god <br />
    This so called standard of living we seek has a big price and really dosen&#8217;t deliver the comforts we&#8217;ve been sold.<br />
    Credit floats the boat and the down side gets ignored.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://realestate.aol.com/article/_a/more-americans-find-themselves-house/20061006160709990001">http://realestate.aol.com/article/_a/more-americans-find-themselves-house/20061006160709990001</a> <br />
    <br />
    This so called standard of living also has use overextended with credit costs that must be paid.<br />
    <br />
    And YES! You are quite right in your assessments when using the existing model.<br />
    <br />
    But the existing model is harder to quit that heroin is for a junkie <br />
    <br />
    And who do you believe the "dealer" is?<br />
    <br />
    Agin I urge one and all to look at Italy's Emilia Romagna<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.cooperativegrocer.coop/articles/index.php?id=483">http://www.cooperativegrocer.coop/articles/index.php?id=483</a><br />
    <br />
    <br />
    or<br />
    <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2006/004/5.26.html">http://www.christianitytoday.com/bc/2006/004/5.26.html</a><br />
    <br />
    "A faithful Catholic and a fierce socialist&#8212;in 2006, socialism is about as countercultural as you can get; even anarchism is more fashionable&#8212;McCarraher here sets his sights on "the hopeless and infernal world of the capitalist round-the-clock workhouse" and "the cant of diligence and virtue" which, he argues, keeps us from recognizing that "the Work Ethic's boss is Mammon."<br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>Diogenes said:<br />
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

  6. by Wraun
    Sat Oct 14, 2006 8:59 pm
    Hey Deac, I agree in principle that Canada could be totally self-sufficient and I don't think there's a problem with that way of thinking. On a micro-level, I try to be and dream of being self-sufficient, so there is no reason that a country can't do it. Cuba is a fairly good example of what is possible outside the box.
    But if we did at least try to maintain a certain level of self-sufficiency, that wouldn't mean that we couldn't sell our wares outside the country.
    Dio, >Land fills are filled with the waste due to over production.
    That's for sure but over-production - and everything else you listed - is a symptom of gluttony and greed and those are attributes of ourselves and our society that have to be changed. It's embarrasing to me to have to admit that Canada is worse than the states in that regard.
    And co-operatives or socialism? I don't know, it's something that I haven't studied. All I can really say on the subject is what we've all been fed. I see Cuba as a great model in many ways but it has flaws. The Soviet system was unsustainable but that's an entirely different situation anyway. Other, smaller examples would be the Mennonites, Hudderites, Ahmish and they seem to be happy but I don't think that would turn the cranks of most Canadians.
    Personally, I feel that Canada had a pretty good blend of socialism and capitalism prior to the FTA and that is something I would like to see a return to - along with at least some degree of self-sufficiency.


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    Everybody got to deviate from the norm

  7. by RPW
    Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:59 pm
    <blockquote> No, far as I can see, the only people who really NEED the United States in any real way shape or form are political leaders and those members of the business class who are too cheap to actually build their factories etc in Canada. </blockquote>Agreed! But Canadian "business" types have always been reluctant to invest in Canada. And our tax structure right from the get-go has favoured Canadian investment "anywhere but here". In addition, any real investment that has taken place in Canada, has always been done in large part by government. Then, when things are up and running, business steps in a takes over, because "it is not right" that government should be successful in business --- not to mention, for a dime on the dollar (if that much). Canadian business people have always been (and continue to be) timid at home. <p>---<br>"Son, if you wanna get ahead in this world, never work for another man as long as you live."

  8. Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:29 pm
    Canadians seem to miss an important factor. We are the ones buying. We complain as we march off to McDonalds, Walmart or rent American movies that there is no Canadian anymore. We buy what's cheap and what's newest and Canadian companies scramble to find a better market. We the Canadian business, sell all, to the worlds largest market, Americans. If an American offers you XX amount of dollars and it's the best offer, you don't refuse. It's all fine and dandy to complain how Americans shaft Canadians in every deal but why are we dealing with them. Simply put; if we barter with them then quite crying about it. If we want a change, then deal with someone else and forget the instant cash from the USA. A new market will lengthen expectations and everyone would have to make sacrifices. We aren't going to see that.

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  9. by Deacon
    Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:30 pm
    Wraun

    "But if we did at least try to maintain a certain level of self-sufficiency, that wouldn't mean that we couldn't sell our wares outside the country."

    True, after I submitted my previous comment I realized I should have added something similar to what you said.


    RPW

    You nailed it.

    I have to laugh when I hear people chirping the "private enterprise can do it cheaper" line.

    I then ask them, if they really believe it.

    They say yes.

    I say "Good, in that case private enterprise can take over paying for the 2010 Olmypics, and the hundreds of millions that the BC Gov't has allocated to them can be put back into health, education, transporatation, and infrastructure.

    If it's such a good deal, with as high a return on investment as they tell us, business etc would be idiots not to jump on the bandwagon."

    For some strange reason they shut up as soon as I say that.

    I guess they REALLY mean that private enterprise is better at harvesting the cash and rewards after someone else foots the bill for the project, and does all the work.

    I mean, honestly, why give anyone just compensation for their efforts?



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    "and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

    "The Weapon" - Rush

  10. by Wraun
    Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:35 pm
    Another nail nailed! However, I have been personally boycotting American companies for years but because of "foreign direct investment" (I hate that term), it is increasingly hard to. For instance, I do not shop at Wal*Mart, I shop at Zellers STOP -HOLD ON - WAIT, Zellers is owned by the Hudson's Bay Co. which is now owned by an American. Damned, now I can't shop at Zellers. Oh well, I still have Rona as opposed to Home Depot - which brings me to a point that I made to my Home-Depot-shopping-Brother just yesterday. We allow Home Depot and a gaggle of other American Companies to come into this country and do business freely on the promise of more jobs for the economy and then they lay off all the cashiers and make us check our selves out. What a system! I think I'll go down to Timmy's for a coffee. Nope, think again, it's American.

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    Everybody got to deviate from the norm

  11. Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:48 pm
    Hey Wraun, <br />
    You&#8217;ve given some examples of how it IS or how it has BECAME, here&#8217;s the but though-how did that happen?<br />
    This &#8220;symptom of gluttony and greed and those are attributes of ourselves&#8221; that you point to may in the greater expression be ourselves however those attributes were created by the likes of Edward Bernaise ( <a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Edward+Bernaise&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8">http://www.google.com/search?client=opera&rls=en&q=Edward+Bernaise&sourceid=opera&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8</a> ) Bernaise is responsible for the traditional breakfast of &#8216;bacon&#8217; and eggs. That&#8217;s right before Bernaise sowbellies were a waste potion of the pig. <br />
    Advertising, another form of propaganda, and television sets which became the delivery system (the Medium IS the message, or some thing like that) joined in unholy communion (conspired) and sold (brainwashed) us a bunch of stuff we don&#8217;t really need.<br />
    <br />
    Make a point of locating Gerry Mander&#8217;s book, Four arguments for the Elimination of Television, ( <a href="http://www.netreach.net/~kaufman/Jerry.Mander.html">http://www.netreach.net/~kaufman/Jerry.Mander.html</a> )<br />
    <br />
    As ridiculous as it may sound is order to create any kind of sanity an army of deprogrammers would be required to reverse the hold the propagandists successfully created.<br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.rense.com/general45/falsemen.htm">http://www.rense.com/general45/falsemen.htm</a> <br />
    <br />
    'We Can Implant Entirely<br />
    False Memories' <br />
    Laura Spinney on our remembrance of things past...<br />
    The Guardian - UK<br />
    12-7-3<br />
    <p>---<br>Diogenes said:<br />
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."

  12. by Wraun
    Sun Oct 15, 2006 5:48 pm
    This subject got me thinking about this guy I had to take on a training run when I was with Trimac a few years ago. He was from Yugoslavia and had been in Canada for about ten years at that time. We had just put on a load of lumber at Adams Lake and were heading home to Grand Forks. We started talking about Yugoslavia, Canada and the USA as we left the mill and he started telling me how much he hated the USA. As we were going through Salmon Arm, he made me stop at McDonald's so he could get a burger. After we were on the road again, he continued on with his anti-american rant, yelling with his mouth full of Big Mac. By the time he was finished his burger, he was onto telling me how much he loved Canada, as he threw his garbage out the window.

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    Everybody got to deviate from the norm

  13. by Wraun
    Sun Oct 15, 2006 6:27 pm
    I don't disagree with anything you've said. What we've narrowed it down to then, is that advertising is bad. That it's a form of brainwashing. And that Frank Zappa was right! That's true and I've long agreed with that assessment. I am after all a Frank Zappa fan. R.I.P. But another argument against that statement could be that advertising and television are products of greed themselves. It's a chicken/egg scenario and I don't like bacon.
    Advertising is not necessarily bad though, advertisers are bad. Advertisements don't brainwash people, people - greedy people - brainwash people. We all need some of the products that are available in order to maintain that acceptable standard of living that I referred to earlier. I am not saying that, that acceptable standard of living should include 3 hummers in everyone's driveways. Everyone has their own acceptable standard of living and through education - even education through advertising - we have to change our behavior and expectations if we hope to make our society sustainable.

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    Everybody got to deviate from the norm

  14. Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:16 pm
    I enjoy reading your thoughts and may have (no surprise) more to say on this topic ,but for now it's out the door and get stuff done. I know where there is a house being demolished and I'm off to rescue some stuff from the landfill I can use to batten down the hatches for the winter

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    Diogenes said:
    "I am Diogenes the Dog. I nuzzle the kind, bark at the greedy and bite scoundrels."



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