Water Into Fire ?

Posted on Wednesday, May 30 at 10:21 by Diogenes
Filling a test tube with salt water from a canal in his back yard, Kanzius placed the tube and a paper towel in the machine and turned it on. Suddenly, the paper towel ignited, lighting up the tube like it was a wax candle. "Pretty neat, huh?" Kanzius asked WPBF's Jon Shainman. Kanzius performed the experiment without the paper towel and got the same result -- the saltwater was actually burning. The former broadcasting executive said he showed the experiment to a handful of scientists across the country who claim they are baffled at watching salt water ignite. Kanzius said the flame created from his machine reaches a temperature of around 3,000 degrees Farenheit. He said a chemist told him that the immense heat created from the machine breaks down the hydrogen-oxygen bond in the water, igniting the hydrogen. "You could take plain salt water out of the sea, put it in containers and produce a violent flame that could heat generators that make electricity, or provide other forms of energy," Kanzius said. He said engineers are currently experimenting with him in Erie, Pa. in an attempt to harness the energy. They've built an engine that, when placed on top of the flame, chugged along for two minutes, Kanzius told WPBF. http://www.wpbf.com/news/13383827/detail.html

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  1. by Deacon
    Wed May 30, 2007 7:09 pm
    Now THAT'S the kind of tech that'll do the job for us, assuming it's not a hoax.

    If it is legit, then that changes everything.

    The amount of seawater on earth is 300 million cubic miles.

    For all practical intents and purposes, limitless.

    And best of all, no nation can ever hope to control it.

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    If George W. Bush and Tony Blair are Christian as they've claimed, then pork and shrimp are Kosher.

  2. Wed May 30, 2007 8:06 pm
    All depends. How much power is required to emit the radio waves, and is there a net energy gain?

    But the fire could easily run a steam engine. Sounds pretty environmentally sound. Let's hope the emissions are just water vapour, or something like that.

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  3. Wed May 30, 2007 8:51 pm
    Damn! showed up for what I can be,... Again!


    "I’ll see your Sugar/Starch to Hydrogen for Vehicles
    And raise you a water to fire" was only meant to be a gosh.

    I watched one of the videos at the sight and interest at the research level has ebeen "sparked"



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    —Sir Josiah Stamp

  4. Wed May 30, 2007 10:02 pm
    Oh, no, not to show you up by any means! I am excited, not only about the energy but for the potential treatment for brain cancer (and the starch to hydrogen thing too). It's just that not all the science has been done yet.

    The logical side of my brain see that gaping hole and has to run it up the flagpole. Useing this technology, and a Sterling engine, I can see great things here. If there is a surplus of energy emittted from this reaction.

    "And raise you a water to fire" was only meant to be a gosh."

    Of course, and I took it as such. Because I like to poke holes in things that are new and untested, doesn't mean I don't see the potential.

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  5. Wed May 30, 2007 10:19 pm
    "Because I like to poke holes in things that are new and untested, doesn't mean I don't see the potential."

    Man could i have ever of used that kind of thinking growing up

    My fear is that the idea will get buried ot the inventor will


    The monied interest have much to "loose" when we all start looking at what is good for humanity AND the planet ...
    Well? i can drean can't I?


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    "It is easy to dodge our responsibilities, but we cannot dodge the consequences of dodging our responsibilities."
    —Sir Josiah Stamp

  6. Thu May 31, 2007 1:05 am
    Awesome! And just imagine all the possibilities yet undiscovered, or at least not
    revealed! I love it when people stop thinking according to what IS already and
    start imagining anything is possible! Because it is....

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    "aaaah and the whisper of thousands of tiny voices became a mighty deafening roar and they called it 'freedom'!"' Canadians Acting Humanely at home & everywhere

  7. Thu May 31, 2007 1:28 am
    "How much power is required to emit the radio waves, and is there a net energy gain?" <br><br> That is the critical question, but the question and answer was conspicuously missing from the reports I saw, therefore the method in its current state most likely does not produce an energy gain otherwise it would have been stated. <br><br> <a href="http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:John_Kanzius_Produces_Hydrogen_from_Salt_Water_Using_Radio_Waves">So I searched and found this</a> <blockquote>While the phenomenon is interesting, it is not yet practical for energy generation. More energy is consumed by the radio frequency device than is produced for burning. Efficiency-wise, they are presently at around 76 percent of Faraday's theoretical limit. (Other Hydrogen-from-Water methods, such as the one being pursued by Bob Boyce (http://freeenergynews.com/Directory/Tra ... Bob_Boyce/), are approaching 7x).</blockquote>

  8. by RPW
    Thu May 31, 2007 1:55 am
    Cell splits water via sunlight to produce hydrogen <br />
    <a href="http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/9355.html">http://news-info.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/9355.html</a><p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
    -Max Planck<br />
    <br />

  9. by Deacon
    Thu May 31, 2007 2:28 am
    you cannot "gain" energy. you can move it around, convert it, store it, or use it.

    You can release whatever energy there is in the water, but you cannot "gain" any.

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    If George W. Bush and Tony Blair are Christian as they've claimed, then pork and shrimp are Kosher.

  10. Thu May 31, 2007 3:39 am
    "You can release whatever energy there is in the water, but you cannot 'gain' any."

    True. What was meant of course, is that the energy put into the system is greater than the useful energy that is output from the system.

  11. by RPW
    Thu May 31, 2007 3:42 pm
    <blockquote> I am excited, not only about the energy but for the potential treatment for brain cancer </blockquote>If this invention is able to take on two "biggies", such as energy and cancer, the inventor had better make himself scarce, like Salman Rushdie was forced to do. These giants with their sinecures could issue a "corporate fatwa" against him, threatening them (as it does) with putting them out of business (or more to the point, out of their cushy incomes).......<p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
    -Max Planck<br />
    <br />

  12. Thu May 31, 2007 3:46 pm
    Over the years I have collected a big pile of old mechanics magazines, the new ones don't interest me, and they're full of such great inventions.

    The problem is that, for one thing, we don't need more heat in the world, secondly, no matter how the energy is produced, the reactions will always be the same, and cancel out the benefits.

    There ain't no "win-win", regardless of the promises of warped economists, only "win-pay". We have to pay for our lunches, no matter how it is produced.

    Therefore, the only solution is to reduce energy use, not to try to invent new sources, as they won't be of any help.

    I remember the days, when nuclear energy was first developed, still have some magazines from the time, with the predictions that electricity will become so cheaply produced that it won't be worth reading the meters.

    How about radioactive golf balls that could be found in the grass with Geiger counters ? That was one of the great inventions too.

    Ed Deak.

  13. Thu May 31, 2007 5:39 pm
    Is there some advantage to, I dunno what to call what he's doing, 'super-boiling'? salt water?

    So we're going to have millions of salt shakers trundling down the road, dropping bits of salt everywhere?

    It'll make the winter driving easier, but our cars will all rust. We'll have to build them out of aluminum or something if this takes off.

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    “The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”

  14. Fri Jun 01, 2007 2:45 am
    My first thought was that the water was polluted with gas or some other
    combustable liquid and that was why it burst into flame. If we clean up the
    environment there goes our new energy source.

    Forget the radio waves, try a match.

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    "The most sustainable product is the one you never bought in the first place."
    Alex Steffan



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