Is The War On Drugs Going To Morph Into The War On Suburbia?

"Is the War On Drugs Going To Morph Into The War On Suburbia?"

Probably not.

Why?

Big Pharma is a friend, and staunch supporter, of the government of the United States.

What you might see is a war on counterfeit drugs.

After all, drug lords don't have paid lobbyists in Washington D.C. as a general rule; and a "War of Drugs" that targeted the drugs produced by pharmaceutical companies would hurt corporate profits.

Not a good thing as far as Big Pharma is concerned.

On the plus side, at least you know that the high you get from legitimate drugs comes from drugs that have to meet government quality standards.

Addiction isn't a good thing, but people who suffer from it shouldn't have to be at risk for dying from some fake product made in some shack or basement somewhere.


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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

"On the plus side, at least you know that the high you get from legitimate drugs comes from drugs that have to meet government quality standards.

Addiction isn't a good thing, but people who suffer from it shouldn't have to be at risk for dying from some fake product made in some shack or basement somewhere."

Shirley,
You gest!

Gov sanctioned drugs?


Don't be perpetuating the myth!


It is necerssary to look into the minds of substance and pleasure abusers to solve the problems of abuse and addictions, and there are substances to halt or assist with addiction reduction.
google ibogaine, the following bit is from wiki
"Addiction Interruption

Proponents of ibogaine treatment for drug addiction have established formal and informal clinics or self-help groups in Canada, Mexico, the Caribbean, Costa Rica, the Czech Republic, France, Slovenia, the Netherlands, Brazil, South Africa, the United Kingdom and New Zealand where ibogaine is administered as an experimental drug. Although the full nature of Ibogaine is still emerging, it appears that the most effective treatment paradigm involves visionary doses of ibogaine of 10 to 20 mg/kg, producing an interruption of opiate withdrawal and craving. Many users of ibogaine report experiencing visual phenomena during a waking dream state, such as instructive replays of life events that led to their addiction, while others report therapeutic shamanic visions that help them conquer the fears and negative emotions that might drive their addiction. It is proposed that intensive counseling and therapy during the interruption period following treatment is of significant value. Some patients require a second or third treatment session with ibogaine over the course of the next 12 to 18 months as it will provide a greater efficacy in extinguishing the opiate addiction or other drug dependence syndrome. A minority of patients relapse completely into opiate addiction within days or weeks. A comprehensive article (Lotsof 1995) on the subject of ibogaine therapy, detailing the procedure, effects and aftereffects is found in, "Ibogaine in the Treatment of Chemical Dependence Disorders: Clinical Perspectives"."





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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

lex ferenda

Myth?

What myth?

You mean the one where the CIA used body bags during the Vietnam War as a means of smuggling illegal drugs in then US?

Or do you mean the myth that they are still importing drugs from South America, SE Asia, and Afghanistan??

I'm just saying:

1) drugs made by pharmaceutical companies have to meet some form of standards in terms of ingredients and side effects. Internet recipe concoctions made by some stiff in a basement do not.

IMO, the former is the better of the two.


As for government sanctioning, look at the widespread misuse of Ritalin and other drugs to control children with "behaviour problems".

Seeing as permission can be either overt or tacit, you can make your own call.

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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

<blockquote> After all, drug lords don't have paid lobbyists in Washington D.C. as a general rule </blockquote> Just bags of cash to ensure that illegal drugs stay illegal........?<p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
-Max Planck<br />
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Somebody should, perhaps, start looking at the psychological causes of why people want to knock their brains out with any kind of drugs?

The reason is definitely not medical, but psychological.

On the other hand people are mentally conditioned from babyhood into believing that some pills will make everything OK. In some cases, drugs are even fed to kids in schools, from what I've heard. So then what's the big surprise is they become addicts ?

Ed Deak.

Thanks for the input
This (Drugs) is an area I have a 55 year experience in. I grew up with Junkies sinse 1954 or so. Not my cuppa as needles cause me to faint.


Ive never come under the spell of anything stronger than a mean assed woman and that addiction is now behind me.


psycho active drugs (neuroleptics) are every bit as harmfull as so called street drugs
the question of "purity" is moot to the effects of Kiddie Cocaine (ritalin)v. Speed

Further the arguement is mostly propaganda laid down by the mans spindocs.


As I once instructed Ed Deak
read Andrew Weils book Natural Mind

or beleive sham poo like "reefer maddness"

Nut bars on docs drugs or cocconuts on crack it really makes no diff

More to follow, If I feel like it


Robert Anton Wilson once did an article "The war on (some) drugs" because efforts are, and for the same reasons as I've seen laid out here , focused of State sanctioned v illicit

it is a question of prescribed abuse or self meding the result is the same
Band aid theropy!




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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]

it is ignorance of the law when we do not know our own rights"

"If only I could steal enough, to become

My dad was a recovering alcoholic, and my mom had a nasty habit of mixing booze with pills (if you know the meaning behind the Stone's song "Mother's Little Helper", you get what I mean.)

Myself, having seen the mess drugs have made in the lives of a lot of people I know, I tend not to touch anything stronger than acetaminophen.

On the odd occasion I will have a beer, or some Bols Cherry Brandy Liqueur on some chocolate ice cream.

For whatever it's worth, my own opinion is this: a lot of people who use drugs were never taught proper coping skills as children.

I know I wasn't. I just got by on pure force of will, and a resolve NEVER to let shit like that EVER be in control of me.

Yeah, I cried alone in my room a lot when no one was looking; and at times I still do.

Better that than being a slave.


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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"

"The Weapon" - Rush

"Somebody should, perhaps, start looking at the psychological causes of why people want to knock their brains out with any kind of drugs?
Now you are on the right track!!!

and there is

John Bradshaw did several series on the hows, whys, and wherefores, as did Terry Kellog and a heard of others.

Equally important or perhaps moreso is what types of strategies are available to bring pride, self-esteem, back in line with mentally healthy people?

Shooting drug users is not an option!

Perhaps cleaning up the CIA might help
I had a site up before I lost it that estimated that 75-80% of the hard drugs are introduced to the USA by the CIA!

Look up Michael Levine on google and read how he asa a DEA officer was ordered to stand down on 15 tonne cocaine deals
at the behest of the CIA or other government agencies.

Those in the drug trade opperate on the same pinciples as GM, Ford or Chrysler: profit

Capitalism is the role model whether it be the manufacture of armaments, or propaganda


I suggest we start by teaching world leaders right from wrong then maybe dis organised crime can be the second target.

Wars take far more lives than drug overdoses ever will
Moralists more than annoy me!



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"If only I could steal enough, to become honest"
Peter Seller in some or another movie role

"Better that than being a slave."

Well said. I've done more illegal drugs than any living person should. (Except the Stones, and it's debatable if they are still alive.)

I got out of that trap. As Ed points out, it was a means to escape my reality - a psycological problem. Once I dealt with reality, I didn't need the drugs. I've seen the same problem with many people - it's just an escape.

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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

"Better that than being a slave."

On being a slave;
For he most part we hu-mans ARE slaves!
We are first slaves to our own "thinking" and the lack of quality *of* thinking.
Linguistics and critical thinking have given me the ability to identify, both in my self and in others, thatr which is known as *stinkin' thinkin'* in the get-your-head-together set.


There is not a day that goes by that I do not encounter folks so wound up that a large percentage of their life is not frantic. I pass ithis along as inspiration,


If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:

If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:

If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"

If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!

--Rudyard Kipling


or you can listen to gansta rap about niggers, killing and Ho's

Be careful what you choose y'all
Dio

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[juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]



"If only I could steal enough, to become honest"
Peter Seller in some or another movie role

<a href="http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/03/05/stolen-painkillers.html">http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2007/03/05/stolen-painkillers.html</a><br />
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All that this article is indicative of, is the increasing failure of the law to keep up with the increasing "contra-legal" activities in this country, which in turn is like the canary in the coalmine in signalling a breakdown in society. Crime will increase, as people either become for deperate, or perceive they are more desperate, and laws (as the Harperites would prefer) become more Draconian.<br />
<p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
-Max Planck<br />
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"Some of the stolen drugs are very dangerous, highly addictive and can cause death," the RNC said in a statement.

Health complications can include liver damage, severe muscle weakness, extreme fluctuations in heart rate, nausea and severe vomiting."

That kinda blows the arguement of pharmacueticals being
safer than street drugs all to hell


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"If only I could steal enough, to become honest"
Peter Seller in some or another movie role

"Health complications can include liver damage, severe muscle weakness, extreme fluctuations in heart rate, nausea and severe vomiting."

"That kinda blows the arguement of pharmacueticals being
safer than street drugs all to hell"

I thought they were talking 'McDonalds'.


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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

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Worthy of your investigation<p>---<br> [juris ignorantia est cum jus nostrum ignoramus]<br />
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"If only I could steal enough, to become honest"<br />
Peter Seller in some or another movie role