CAP Leader Connie Fogal accuses elected Canadian political leaders of preening in their position of puppet to the USA permanent war agenda, unwilling to exercise sovereign Canadian decisions. She says, "In the USA, dissenting opinion is labelled anti-American and unpatriotic. In Canada, dissenting opinion is labelled anti-American and unpatriotic. This is an interesting real commonality in a unified North America. Dissent in Canada and the USA is united and integrated in their view that it is not unpatriotic to oppose bad government. In fact, it is our democratic duty to do so! We are united in our horror of and opposition to blood, carnage and human destruction."
"NO MORE! Not in Our Name'" insists President Whelan Costen. "Canadian patriots will not be told to be quiet while our sons' and daughters' lives are sacrificed for corporate profits that feed off the permanent war industry. The Middle East has been destabilized by that agenda.
"The Canadian people did not want to send them and do not wish to wage corporate wars. What did the Afghanistan people or Taliban do to Canada, or what threat do they pose to Canada? Osama bin Laden was created by the U.S., but even if he is more than a stooge, the people of Afghanistan did not commit any acts of aggression against the USA or Canada. You cannot export democracy at the end of a gun barrel!" she continued.
Connie Fogal says, "It is immoral to sacrifice the senseless deaths of our Canadian soldiers (who are bound to follow orders) to a mission Canadians oppose, a mission never explained, a mission that is no service to Canada. Our government is so used to governing by incrementalism and deception that it believes its own lies. "
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Contact info:
Catherine Whelan Costen, Canadian Action Party President cathpublish@wildroseinternet.ca Ph: 403-660-0449
www.canadianactionparty.ca
Connie Fogal, Leader ,Canadian Action Party/ parti action Canadienne
Tel: (604)872 2128; or (604) 708 3372 (FAX: 604) 872 -1504
E-MAIL to leader: conniefogal@telus.net
# 385- 916 West Broadway, Vancouver BC, V521K7
[Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on September 5, 2006]
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CAP Declares 'Enough Is Enough!' Bring Canadian Troops Home Now!
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I am in the age group that once voiced "peace on earth" very loud and very clearly. I listen to people who are now the age we were then and find the majority are pro-American and look on war as entertainment. Ed, Myself and the Armyguy are witness's to what war realy is. Perhaps Armyguy is giving feedback to what the population should know. War is digusting, dirty and solves nothing. Yet I still hear arguments that it is the only solution. The recruitment offices are having men lined up. Not for patriotism but for the thrill. Once the realism sets in then will "patriotic duty" be their only sanction to justify it.
Will getting rid of a political party end the madness. I doubt it. I would like to see all recruits brought to a slaughter house and watch the entire process. Before they can even sign the paper they must be required to mop the blood off the floors. It's at this point you tell them that the next time it will be blood from people they are with and their death may not be so quick or painless.
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So you mean to tell me the Taliban wear uniforms now........making them harder to tell from the good guys?<p>---<br>"We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both."<br />
- Justice Louis Brandeis
*cough*
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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden
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We have met the enemy and he is us
Pogo
A mind is a fire to be kindled, not a vessel to be filled.
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Canada for Canadians
Sorry Doc. I didn't know you were there. As you can atest then, mankind has not yet proven to be a superiour species. My role was to organize the unorganised after the shit hit the fan. Just how do you tell someone who's country is in ruins, their family dead that there is no guarantee their life will ever be the same. This is in name of, what? Tell the mangled children, the hopless and those who lost everything that it was all for a good cause. Tell the Canadian recruits who are enlisting that they are there to maim and deprive another human being in a foreign country. All in the name of patriotism of their own country. A country that has never been assaulted and the average citizen has to find the country, they are in, on a map. . Tell them how they sent people like me afterwards, to inspire the downtrodden./ Sent to countries that never heard of Canadians much more then "we were beter then the Yankees". How Canada thought all we were responsible for was to stand infront of these people and preach to them how we will help them reorganise their lives. We the untouched, the innocent.
Let's hear about it Doc. You were there.
Cough!
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Americans can't rate them now, as aplicants to attend their facilities in Cuba. "One may not defend against American assults without a uniform".
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I have smelled burning children. I know what horrors people can visit upon their neighbour based soully on religion or ancestry. And I have felt the helplessness of not being able to protect them because my country wouldn't give me the tools needed to do the job assigned to me. And I know the abandonment I felt when my country ignored me and tried to believe what I saw never happened. Being shot at has a way of changing you. It's not as much fun as you think it would be.
And I stand behind every single man and woman who serve and say 'We will defend your right to live, safely and peacefully.' and leverage their own lives toward that goal.
"War is digusting, dirty and solves nothing."
Agreed, but sometimes, a finger wagging sometimes solves nothing as well. That is exactally what our troops are tasked with right now, to give Afghans a place in which they are safe, secure and can thrive.
If the people want to pull our troops out with the job just started because we lose a few (who were willing to die for that goal) then we must be sure to never blame or forget what our troops have done and given in the service of that goal. If someone should be the object of scorn, it should be who sent them there.
"I would like to see all recruits brought to a slaughter house and watch the entire process."
I think everyone who eats meat should . . .but then again, I'm a rather twisted SOB.
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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden
Dr C said:
"If the people want to pull our troops out with the job just started because we lose a few (who were willing to die for that goal) then we must be sure to never blame or forget what our troops have done and given in the service of that goal. If someone should be the object of scorn, it should be who sent them there."
I agree with Dr C on this point. The people who sent them there should be held accountable. The Liberal Government, the Conservative Government, and the people of Canada, who did not yell or complain when the call came.
What I don't agree on is that there is any semblance to a 'job just started'. There is no coherent strategy whatsoever. Run around the mountains shooting Taliban? Building a school on Monday, only to come back on Friday to watch it burn down? That does not sound like progress. That sounds like frikken Vietnam! The US chased the Viet Cong around in the jungles for years, while they simply circled around and undid every good thing the Americans tried to do. The Americans tried to build schools, tried to 're-educate' the people, they even herded them up into fortified villages like something out of the Middle Ages to try to keep the Viet Cong away. Nothing worked, because the people didn't really care which government they got. And when the locals don't care, the local team has the HOME TURF ADVANTAGE.
No, what we have is a TRAIN WRECK in progress, and it's time to jump off into the ditch.
I didn't even support the initial mission, riding off to bomb Afghanistan for 911 was just too neat, well packaged, convenient, and there was that oil pipeline deal that still stinks to high heavens in the back closet. And then sticking that oil executive in charge. Yah, that looked REAL legit.
But since 911, the mission in Afghanistan has morphed and twisted with the seasons. Now our goal appears to be to rid the entire country of the Taliban by military force, while 'winning hearts and minds' through construction of schools and hospitals.
There are huge problems with this, which I have gone on at length about. The root problem here is the puppet government that was forced upon those people by the US, the history of invasion and conquest by whities those people know only too well (and is far too easily exploited by the Taliban) and the beliefs of the people themselves. Many many of them believe the same things as the Taliban. Women should not go to school and should be covered up, for example. They have no concept of where we are trying to move them, we may as well be telling them they need to start acting like Martians. They don't get it.
These are BIG issues. You do not solve them by driving around in an armoured vehicle and building schools and shooting anyone who objects.
This is a MORASS, a QUAGMIRE, a huge frikken MESS. We need to re-evaluate from the very beginning WHAT THE HELL WE ARE DOING? And is it ever achievable?
You cannot defeat the Taliban by military force. They are an IDEOLOGY. So long as they have support from the local people, they will thrive and they will kick us.
SO, how do you teach an entire people to follow a different path? To reject their heritage, to aim higher?
I really don't know the answer to that. Maybe it is not possible in Afghanistan, there is too much fragmentation between warring tribes.
But it's not solveable under the current model, and we are paying heavy interest in Canadian BLOOD every day we stay there and do not realize it.
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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”
I don't agree!
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It's a contridiction. We are cleaning up a mess created by others but NOW we are becoming one of the others. It's difficult to be a referee when you are a member of the team. We have united with the USA, who had started the mess to begin with. We are better then the Yankees only by the uniform we wear.
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And they admit to liking them MORE than the Americans, because the British at least are not bombing villages indiscriminantly.
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“The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous, the essential act of warfare is the destruction of the produce of human labour”