Canada: No To Kyoto

"the Conservative government will scrap the deal to reduce Canada's emissions"

And the Liberals did such a dandy job of cleaning up our act while lashing out at the Conservatives for advocating the scrapping of this deal. How much did pollution rise under their stewardship again... 12% or 20% or more? If the Cons scrap Kyoto, but actually reduce emmissions, isn't that a good thing?

Before the "we hate everything the <neo>cons come up with" crowd starts up, shouldn't we listen to what they are actually saying?

Valid point. Results don't seem to matter. Martin's Lib's were no where on Kyoto except at the meetings. Lots o meetings to discuss when they will meet again followed by some preaching about "global conscience". I guess that's what Kyoto is all about. It's the signature that counts.

I agree, if the conservatives have a solid domestic plan to reduce our emissions, great! But I suspect that isn`t the case. I feel it is more falling in line with the US. Anyway, under NAFTA, we cannot reduce emissions if it eats into corporate profits.

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Dave Ruston

You may be right, but I'll resevere judgement until they come to the table with something. If they scrap the plan and don't have something to replace it with, then I'll join you in your criticism.

I expect nothing from the Conservatives on this issue. They have no environmental track record except to finally acknowledge that there is a problem during the last election in order to garner some votes. A year or two ago their position, along with Lockheed and others in Alberta was that global warming is unproven. It’s not possible to have a more pig headed, unenlightened, uniformed decision on this issue.

They have no position with the exception of proposing a clean air act without any plan to achieve clean air. We are so far behind European countries with respect to funding and implementing sustainable energy solutions that it’s a joke. Unless someone in the Conservative party changes their spots on this issue there is every reason to expect them to behave as they have in the past.

Mike

"if the conservatives have a solid domestic plan to reduce our emissions"

yeah, like that'll ever happen.

Too bad we couldn't reduce their verbal emissions, or better yet harness all the hot air they generate and use it as renewable energy.

Ottawa would lead the world if that happened.

I expect nothing from the Conservatives on this issue.<<

I don't think they'll let you down, Mike.

So the millions$$ they come up with to replace the plan, will actualy go where? A new plan from scratch to add to the budget. I will hold my breath, but not in waiting for a new plan.

<<I expect nothing from the Conservatives on this issue...>>

Actually I think Muldoon was voted best environmental PM. Not kidding.

"Actually I think Muldoon was voted best environmental PM. Not kidding."

I don't doubt you DSR, but still wonder "who" is going to support a new multi-million dollar plan. KYOTO has already a lot of paying members and Canada can't be expected to foot the bill for their own. Look south and you'll see the support. The USA is already a polluter by the biggest magnitude. So what plan will the Conservatives come up with?

I'm sure Harper's plan for Emission Reduction will be just as good as George Bush's.

Today on CPAC there was a one year birthday for KYOTO and the Sierra Club was there and their spokesperson said that Canada's emissions were so high because our energy production for the USA is so huge. If Rona wants to have clean air we'll have to offshore our oilsands and coal burning electrial production that we export to the biggest consumer. It's easy to have clean air when you aren't doing any of the dirty manufacturing. So yes NAFTA does keep us from cleaning up our own air.

Why do people put up with Corporations polluting our environment for nothing? We should be so subsidised by these businesses that we get free education and first class health care at the very least!!! PFFT! Just another crime against the planet and all the things trying to live off it.

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"And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music." Friedrich Nietzsche

>>I'm sure Harper's plan for Emission Reduction will be just as good as George Bush's.<<

The US provides the world with 24 percent of it's polution. If the US is paying the bill, I'm sure Harper will be a great benefit to the world as well. Apparantly he's going to "talk" to the US about our softwood as well. Harpers's ahead of his time.

Hello DSR

<<Actually I think Muldoon was voted best environmental PM. Not kidding.>>

I had to consider my use of the word Conservative. What the hell does one call these guys, since they really aren't conservatives in a Canadian historical perspective.

Kind of sad that Brimo and the gang had a better environmental record then present day politicos.

Mike