Justice, Compensation And Apology For Horrific Discrimination Of Chinese In Cana

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And a ChineseCanadian in 2006 is much better off than the overwhelming majority of the 800+ million uneducated, piss poor peasants in mainland China in 2006.

If anybody owes anyone an apology, it's the despotic,imperalistic, corrupt rulers of the Chinese Communist Party and the creators and facilitators of corrupt Chinese society itself.

Maybe Canada does share some blame for that.

Another example of using logical fallicies for propaganda purposes is displayed by the anonymous poster above.

I think it is a good idea to repent our sins. The Canadian Action Party is talking the talk and walking the walk, it is good to see.

Wow this guy really has some problems. First of all, most, if not all foriegn nationals from other countries that come to Canada are much better off from where they came from so it's pointless singling out a nationality. Despotic? Yes. Imperialistic? No. Look up the word in the dictionary and then introduce the back of your hand to your face before you post again. 800 million? Hmmm....Your just about.....half a billion people off bud. And that goes along with the uneducated comment. Yes, a lot of people in China are uneducated, but the new generation of Chinese (same with most of Asia) are pretty close to our standards, and in many cases, way above.

Wow this guy really has some problems. First of all, most, if not all foriegn nationals from other countries that come to Canada are much better off from where they came from so it's pointless singling out a nationality. Despotic? Yes. Imperialistic? No. Look up the word in the dictionary and then introduce the back of your hand to your face before you post again. 800 million? Hmmm....Your just about.....half a billion people off bud. And that goes along with the uneducated comment. Yes, a lot of people in China are uneducated, but the new generation of Chinese (same with most of Asia) are pretty close to our standards, and in many cases, way above. By the way, why do we allow anonymous posts here again? If people have something useful to say then they won't mind registering to post, instead of wasting our time.

If Stephen Harper's name appeared on the Board of Directors for
the CanWest Global media empire, I would begin to doubt
everything written about him and his political campaign.

If Paul Martin's name appeared on the Board of the Globe and Mail
newspaper or the Toronto Star, it would IMO immediately devalue
what those two great newspapers publish about him and his
campaign.

Catherine Whalen Costen is, in fact, a Director for Vive le Canada.
This (as it would be for Harper and Martin) is a conflict of interest.
It devalues Vive le Canada, turning it into a biased mouthpiece for
one candidate in one fragment of a federal election. This shouldn't
be happening and it's surprising that Vive's managers let this get
by them.

I was very surprised when I found this out, and it brings more
clearly into focus, what was bothering me when Catherine made
her attack (using Vive) against Maude Barlow ... then against Duff
Conacher. Using Vive to denigrate the work of two excellent
Canadians, to promote her election campaign ... ? It didn't ring a
bell with The Mods at Vive??

BTW, there's a population of 8,000 souls in the MacLeod riding,
including a large First Nations component which is running an
attractive native son, Myron Wolf Child. There's also Ken Menzies,
a Conservative who won the last election with 75% of the vote ...
but only a few hundred voted. Even if Vive is highlighting only the
MacLeod Riding, let's hear from the other voices, too.

Or: Vive should have openly announced right at the start of this
federal election that it is the official voice of the C.A.P., or of
Catherine. I think also that Vive should bring in more C.A.P.
candidates, not just Catherine. If not, Vive will continue showing a
bias which really is a kind of electoral dishonesty ... the kind of stuff
the C.A.P. tells us they are "fighting".

It was good that Dr Caleb invited Miguel Figaroa into one
discussion; and Figaroa made a clear statement of purpose for his
party, which was refreshing. If more fringe parties get published
here, it would also restore balance to Vive le Canada.

Please accept these comments as being supportive of Vive le
Canada, as intended.

I would like to see some justice for the abusive Workers Compensation system we have here in Canada , which is union sanctioned and more important delivered by unionzed staff at 90% of these vile compensation boards thriough out Canada.

An injured worker here in Nova Scotia filed with the two levels of police charges against the Nova Scotia WCB system which has abuse him. Both levels of police , the Halifax Regional police and the Royal Canadian Mounted Police told Everett that the WCB was out of their jurisdiction.
Wel I wonder whose jurisdiction the Workers Compensation is in when it come to criminal acts or investigation?

Here is Everetts note.

Hi Wayne
Well i tried the Halifax Police Force at least three years ago.I received a reply from i Keith Spicer (i am not 100% his first name was Keith but i am sure of his last name))i think he was a Sergeant.He just said he didn't have jurisdiction.I believe I have a copy of a letter Sam Taylor wrote the last Police Chief Beazley without success..I read on WCB Canada where Gary Miller received a similar response in Alberta.The more you know about the enemy the better and rest assured they are also our enemy..
I am on record as saying i was going to vote Green Party.I later found out there is nobody running for the green party in our riding (Peter Stoffer's riding).
I have had a NDP sign on my lawn many times but never again.If I vote it will be to spoil the ballot.I voted every election since 1957.I was only 19 but because we were members of the military we had the right to vote before we turned 21.
The parties receive money for each vote now so I can prevent that at least prevent them from receiving funds because i voted..Stoffer's office always called and asked permission to place his sign on my lawn but not yet this year.I don't expect a call further more i don't expect him to knock on our door.
I am unable to post on wcbcanada.Once in a while Donald or Marie posts a copy of one of my letters.I gave them permission to post anything i write if they so desire.
I fracture the English language pretty good more often then not it can be hard to deciphered.The main thing is winning the war.
John Hamm stated he expected the welfare rates to increase the next budget and a few other changes.My guess is might address Dorsey in a small way.I believe i read somewhere they had 10 years to address the recommendations My guess is the next thrown speach.John Hamm and Ron Russell are leaving and i suggest there consience caught up with them and they will ask the new Premier to address it.I have been wrong every time i predicted anything in the past so the law of averages says as long as i keep predicting i will get one right.
Regards
Everett
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Good government is not a party government

"Catherine Whalen Costen is, in fact, a Director for Vive le Canada. "

True, so is Susan Thompson, NDP candidate for Peace River. Catherine is Director of Volunteers for Vive, Susan is President of Vive.

However, both have put those duties on hold, and the site is basically run by myself, Milton and Jesse.

"It devalues Vive le Canada, turning it into a biased mouthpiece for one candidate in one fragment of a federal election."

So, Vive shouldn't run stories about CAP or the NDP?

"This shouldn't be happening and it's surprising that Vive's managers let this get by them. "

It doesn't. Catherine and Susan can bypass the story submission queue, that's true. But it doesn't mean their stories wouldn't get posted by myself or Jesse or Milton, if they submitted them normally. Vive has not taken any stand on supporting any political party, nor will we. We've always given equal opportunity to any viewpoint.

"Even if Vive is highlighting only the MacLeod Riding, let's hear from the other voices, too."

I agree, but I can only post what people submit. I'm hoping the recent 'Vive Debates' thread opens us up to a broader spectrum of political viewpoints.

"Please accept these comments as being supportive of Vive le
Canada, as intended. "

I never thought any differently. Debate is good, and I'm glad someone asked these questions and made these statements, rather than assume we've been the victim of a hostile takeover.

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"If you must kill a man, it costs you nothing to be polite about it." Winston Churchill

of my hand? lol i don't think so...

everything...EVERYTHING! i said is TRUE, including the bulk of the chinese people living with very low living standards and china being imperialist.

it is not an attack on the chinese people or their intelligence as a group or, more importantly, as individuals.

again, grow up. you sound like a bunch of teenage girls stirring up trouble just to get some attention.

-- justme

I'd just like to point out that this was part of the Conservative platform before the Liberals and apparently the CAP jumped on board. That's not me justifying a vote for the Conservatives, I just think it's funny that so much time is devoted on this website to slamming the Conservatives, someone else nicks their idea and is called a saint on these boards. Predictable and funny.

As for the NDP and the CAP using this site for promoting themselves and their platforms, that's okay. Really, I know it shouldn't be but this might just be one of the only outlets for the CAP to get through to voters and as for the NDP, they should be higher in the polls and deserve to be with the campaign they've run thus far. Far better than that other (supposed) left-wing party. This is my ends-justify-the-means arguement.

As for the Chinese, the head tax was unfortunate, but not horrific. And it was most certainly not the only unfortunate event in our history to have escaped our leaders attention. The head tax is perfect way to illustrate the differences between China and Canada. In this country they are afforded the luxury of having a government that is at least (in theory) willing to apologise, admit it was wrong, and possibly compensate those affected. This is in stark contrast to the Communist Party in Beijing, which believe it or not is never wrong. Ever.

And I can assure you, as a Canadian who has lived amongst the Chinese, that the Chinese who have landed and immigrated to Canada are far better off in this country than in China. You have no idea. The modernisation of China is a smoke screen. New buildings are going up all over the country, people are walking around with cell phones, and BMW's are driving up and down every Beijing Lu in the country, but Chinese society itself is being left on the side of the road.

Chinese communism died the moment Deng Xiao-Ping said "Greed is good". The country is far from communist any more. Chinese society has always been authoritarian in nature, so totalitarian communist was oddly enough a good fit for Chinese society. My point is if you were to try and replace the communist party with another entity, there wouldn't be much difference and very little change.

And most Chinese people are not better off now than they were in the years following the Cultural Revolution, which still casts it's long shadow across the country. The hundreds of millions who live in the country side are still destitute, although their children are becoming more educated lately.

And incidently, spoiling your ballot is an option. My mate in Australia used to do that as he was required to vote by law and he had to choose between the Liberals and Labour, so he'd always spoil his ballot as a way of protesting. Now of course he votes Green.

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"All great truths begin as blasphemies" - George Bernard Shaw

>> So, Vive shouldn't run stories about CAP or the NDP?<<<

Every last word that Connie Fogal passes down to Whaling on the stone tablets should be dutifully regurgitated by you vive minions, the goofier the better.

>>> Catherine and Susan can bypass the story submission queue, that's true.<<<<

And they are not shy about doing it.

>> Vive has not taken any stand on supporting any political party, nor will we.<<<

LOL!

>> I agree, but I can only post what people submit.<<<

Such are the pitfalls of preaching exclusively to the choir.

>>> I'm hoping the recent 'Vive Debates' thread opens us up to a broader spectrum of political viewpoints.<<<

Whelp, you attracted a communist… Or should I say the comminist.

>>> "Please accept these comments as being supportive of Vive le Canada, as intended. "<<<

Mine too…

This point is so basic, so important to the question of integrity in a
news service, I'd like to clarify it again (3rd time):

"So, Vive shouldn't run stories about CAP or the NDP?" says Dr
Caleb, who knows that isn't at all what I said.

"As for the NDP and the CAP using this site for promoting
themselves and their platforms, that's okay. Really, I know it
shouldn't be but ..." says Angus McCracken.

But Angus, it really is OK for any party to explain and expound
upon what their political platform is. Of course it's OK. Who could
imagine otherwise? Bring 'em on ...

But equally fundamental in a respected news service is to avoid
the appearance of conflict of interest, unfair bias, arbitrary
exclusion, or a stacked deck. These are absolutely not OK.

Or, if Vive le Canada really is the voice of a single party and a
single candidate, state that position clearly. That way, your readers
can adjust their own understanding of what's being offered.

And excuse me, but having your colleagues, Susan and
Catherine, "step down" for the election does not change in any
significant way, their ability to influence Vive choices in these
matters. Any Vive reader has only to look back at what
Diogenes said to me, and the way my civil questions were
removed, to realize that.

I am a retired editor/publisher myself. If I cared less about ethics in
publishing, I wouldn't be explaining this again. But if you agree
that the basis of a democratic society is its free press, then these
are points of continuing concern. It really is important.

My response <br />
Something about BC Mary? You obviously have a real gripe with me. Your tactics are interesting. Since you have decided to make this a public attack, I have no choice but to reply. Any party, any candidate can submit for posting! I do not control that aspect of vive. It is not up to vive moderators to seek out any party position, or news or press release. If people submit they will be posted. If they choose not to, then nothing is here. Vive has not endorsed me, nor have they endorsed Susan. You are deliberately trying to paint a picture which does not exist.<br />
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This thread is speaking about the Head Tax placed on the Chinese immigrants. The fact that Paul Martin choose to dangle compensation, and apology as an election carrot. That is the story being discussed. <br />
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You have gone out of your way to try to discredit me because I exposed CoC and Dwatch, as not providing informed choices to the voters. You started an email smear campaign. Then you complained that your feelings had been hurt, and that I didn't know how important you were and how much you had done for Canada. <br />
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I explained to the mountains of people you were complaining to, (who copied to me)that I had not attacked Maude Barlow, which I did not, however I was stating the issue. Perhaps you have a personal attachment to Ms Barlow. Your statement reveals that you are not doing your homework Mary, as per “I was very surprised when I found this out, and it brings more clearly into focus, what was bothering me when Catherine made her attack (using Vive) against Maude Barlow ... then against Duff Conacher.” I have fully declared my position on vive, I have posted this information on CBC website as well as on my Candidate Profile on <a href="http://www.canadianactionparty.ca">www.canadianactionparty.ca</a> <br />
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I have been completely frank with all readers. Stated my platform, my mission to save Canada, to expose the duplicity going on and that is the same mission as vive. Last night you sent me a personal email acting as if you were trying to be friendly, making inquiries into if I might know your very important relative in my riding. Now you are informing the voters on my riding. Good to highlight that, however your information is short on facts. Anyone can check the riding though, so I won't bother to correct you. <br />
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I consider my work with vive to be very important. It was through vive that I became more aware about what was happening to my country. CAP endorses vive, CoC, Dwatch and many other great patriotic organizations. <br />
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Finally and this is the part you and all readers need to be aware of....I did not prevent in anyway any other party, or any other candidate from posting on vive. My position on the board does not allow me to approve or reject anyone's submissions, never has. <br />
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I too find it strange that the other parties chose not to present their ideas for discussion, however that is their choice not mine. If Cons don't advertise or agree to be interviewed on Canwest, does that mean the Libs or NDP cannot? You are attempting to make a connection which does not exist. Why you are doing it is rather interesting? <br />
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I accept that you wish to discredit me, but you have not, what you have done is exposed the fact that the other parties are not as interactive as CAP is. For more evidence of this check the debate forum and see how many people though invited, chose to answer the questions directed at the candidates. They have a choice and I have a choice. You also have a choice Mary, but that choice does not include berated me for offering the viewers CAP's voice. I guess the only question left is do you feel that your public smear campaign against me serves a purpose? If so what is your agenda? Unlike my letters to CoC and Dwatch which were not personal, but simply stating they are not offering Canadians all information to make an informed choice.<br />
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So 'if you agree that the basis of a democratic society is its free press...'perhaps your previous newspaper experience has taught you to keep the facts such as CAP exposes out of the news, (which it does quite well and you might like CAP to do the same)however, you might also agree that freedom is a matter of making the effort to use it...if they don't post...they won't be seen...why don't you declare your agenda Mary and then we can all enjoy the element of full disclosure? I have stated my position clearly. Your turn. I was very gentle with you last time Mary, in consideration of all the points you made about your 'importance in Canada' however if you chose to use the same tactics as last time, which are quite viscious, I shall expose the entire story with your own words. <br />
<p>---<br>If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Mary if you were so concerned about ethics as you say you wouldn’t have gone so far off topic with what now appears to be a personal vendetta.

Your sense of outrageous indignation is clearly that of one reserved for the elderly who spew forth poison when THEIR precious sensibilities are miffed.

In your incongruent ‘say-one-thing-do-another’ hypocrisy you fail to take responsibility for that which you instigate.

Your non-sequitor last paragraph sums up skewed perception(s)and underlines Bandler's assertions of those who have become 'dead right'
How exactly do you expect respect when you adopt such a self-righteous stance?



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Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation

> China needs to maintain "rapid and stable" economic growth to raise the living standards of the nation's 1.3 billion people, whose per capita income ranks 129th in the world, lower than Egypt and Iran. <

excerpts from premier wen jiabao speech

chinadaily.com
12/30/05

like i said,the BULK of the chinese people (in mainland china) live in horrible substandard conditions.