Patrick Grady, an economic consultant from Ottawa and the author of Royal Canadian Jihad, a novel about Islamic terrorists in Canada, which prefigured the recent Toronto bomb plot.
Michael Marzolini, Chairman and CEO of POLLARA Strategic Public Opinion & Market Research, which he founded in 1985. For twelve years he served as chief pollster and strategist to the Prime Minister of Canada, and has managed or advised a total of 410 election campaigns in the United States, Great Britain, Canada, Ireland, Germany and Ukraine. Prior to that he was media pollster for the CTV Television Network, and in 1988 became the first pollster in the world to predict a national election with a 0.0% margin of error. Michael lives primarily in Toronto, and holds the Canadian Peacekeeping medal for military service to his country, as well as the Queen's Jubilee Medal for public service.
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Robert Spencer, a scholar of Islamic history, theology, and law and the director of Jihad Watch. He is the author of five books, seven monographs, and hundreds of articles about jihad and Islamic terrorism, including Islam Unveiled: Disturbing Questions About the World’s Fastest Growing Faith and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades). He is also an Adjunct Fellow with the Free Congress Foundation. He has been closely monitoring the developments surrounding the Toronto 17 case.
FP: Rachel Marsden, Stewart Bell, Patrick Grady, Michael Marzolini, and Robert Spencer, welcome to Frontpage Symposium.
Rachel Marsden, let’s begin with you. Tell us in general what this Toronto 17 case is about and what you think its significance is.
Marsden: In early June, Canadian authorities raided and charged 17 Muslim males in Canada with various terrorism related offenses. The suspects allegedly planned to attack government and civilian targets in Southern Ontario, and had taken steps to acquire bomb-making components, including a makeshift detonator and three tons of ammonium nitrate fertilizer—-a single ton of which was used in the Oklahoma City Bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in 1995.
If some of the allegations are true, the arrests averted what could have been the largest terrorist attack in North America since 9/11.
At the initial police press conference, the “variety of backgrounds” of the suspects was emphasized. The fact that they were all Muslims was conveniently omitted.
Many Canadians still don’t understand why these members of the ‘religion of peace’ would want to harm Canadians—particularly here in Ontario where, in the name of “multiculturalism”, you can live in one of various cultural ghettos and never have to fully integrate with the rest of Canadian society. In fact, we encourage it. The Ontario government is so accommodating of people who aren’t keen on adopting Canadian values that it even flirted with the idea of sanctioning oppressive Sharia law.
On the op-ed pages, a former Liberal Deputy Prime Minister has whined “why us”? Yeah go figure—the plots allegedly involved an attack on the far-left Canadian Broadcast Corporation which, ironically, has always taken great pains not to apply the “terrorist” label to people who blow stuff up. And there’s nothing to suggest that the suspects planned to exempt all leftist politicians from an alleged attack on parliament. That must be a real downer for liberals, after all their terrorist butt-kissing.
Muslim fanatics, from Osama bin Laden to Mullah Dadullah, have been saying they want to kill Canadians for years. Unlike liberals, these guys are generally pretty good on the follow through. So why do some of our “enlightened” friends still refuse to believe them?
FP: Stewart Bell, what is your take? The “enlightened” Canadian establishment dealt with this terror phenomenon pretty strangely, no? What’s Canada’s problem?
Bell: Two points.
First of all, the suspects did indeed come from a variety of backgrounds in the sense that two were born in Somalia, one is an Afghan, several are from Pakistan, one is Jamaican and there are a few converts. If you look at their profiles, you also see a range of experience - some were university students, others were juvis and gang bangers.
Having said that, it’s clear there was a deliberate strategy to avoid identifying them as Muslims at the RCMP news conference. I think the reason may have had more to do with strategic thinking than political correctness.
The RCMP and CSIS can't do their jobs properly unless they improve their relationship with the various Canadian Muslim communities. That relationship has been awful to date (not necessarily the fault of counter-terrorists, since imams like Aly Hindy and like-minded lobby groups have done their best to make sure Muslims think the worst of CSIS and the RCMP). But the point is, if they are going to protect Canada from the next plot to behead the infidel Wawa Goose or whatever, they need to get more Muslims on side, and they are afraid if they identify the suspects by their religion, it will set them back. And who can blame them for thinking that way, since they are already accused by the Canadian press of racial profiling and picking on Muslims in their CT efforts.
I think the police strategy was don’t say Muslim, knowing that someone else would do it for them, which is exactly what happened. And you will notice that the CSIS representative at the news conference did manage to say they were "inspired by Al Qaeda," which says just about all you need to know.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=23461
[Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on July 21, 2006]
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All Canadians are guaranteed equality before the law and equality of opportunity regardless of their origins. Canada's laws and policies recognize Canada's diversity by race, cultural heritage, ethnicity, religion, ancestry and place of origin and guarantee to all men and women complete freedom of conscience, of thought, belief, opinion expression, association and peaceful assembly. All of these rights, our freedom and our dignity, are guaranteed through our Canadian citizenship, our Canadian Constitution, and our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
This is what DIVERSITY means in Canada. Our diversity is considered a national asset.
Do these people in this article show an understanding of and/or represent the values, ideals, desires and realities that make up Canada or Canadians? Do they even represent the true inner Canadian essence or do they represent something else?
What do you think?
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Perception is two thirds of what we perceive reality to be.
Difficult decisions are a privilege of rank.
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The symposium members are so slanted they are horizontal.<br />
War Churchill** was/is right. Some people push back<br />
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*convince <br />
1530, "to overcome in argument," from L. convincere "to overcome decisively," from com- intensive prefix + vincere "to conquer" (see victor). Meaning "to firmly persuade" is from 1606.<br />
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**<a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/churchill02212005.html">http://www.counterpunch.org/churchill02212005.html</a><br />
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sur glad to haveothers do my thinkin for me, yup,yup I am too<p>---<br>The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.... : Albert Einstein
Yet another useless meme into the collective consciousness. "Wardrobe malfunction", "Dirty Bomb", "Enemy Combatant".
Saying these guys are 'inspired by al Queda' is like saying fries and gravy is 'inspired by French cusine'.
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"I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden
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"It's not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes."
- Joseph Stalin
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"It's not the people who vote that count; it's the people who count the votes."
- Joseph Stalin
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I like how people discuss the attacks of 9/11 as if their true perpetrators aren't in doubt. If you are really interested in putting an end to terrorism, you might want to consider what the mainstream media isn't telling you.<br />
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For example:<br />
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Veterans of Viet Nam, Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq think 9/11 was an Inside Job:<br />
<a href="http://www.v911t.org">www.v911t.org</a><br />
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Scholars including Physicists, Engineers, and University Professors think 9/11 was an Inside Job:<br />
<a href="http://www.st911.org">www.st911.org</a><br />
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Lt. Col. Robert Bowman; professor, retired USAF pilot, Viet Nam Veteran, and director of the “Star Wars” program under Presidents Ford and Carter thinks 9/11 was an Inside Job:<br />
<a href="http://bowman2006.com/">http://bowman2006.com/</a><br />
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Biggotry, it appears, is a growth industry.
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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
"The Weapon" - Rush
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"We can have a democracy or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of the few. We cannot have both."
- Justice Louis Brandeis
Better they be phased out in favor of machines we can discard without fuss. Unlike human slaves, machines are docile.
*the above is probably the mindset of a lot of "responsible business leaders", and other "pillars of the community".
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"and the knowledge they fear is a weapon to be used against them"
"The Weapon" - Rush