What Karzai Must Tell Us

Posted on Friday, September 22 at 10:05 by 4Canada
Those things make him as important to Canada as Canada is to his survival. What Karzai will say isn't secret. He will thank this country — as he should — for its collective help and personal sacrifices and he will repeat now familiar reasons why young men and women from across Canada should be willing to risk their lives in frontier Kandahar. By manning the front line against terrorism those soldiers are protecting Canada while creating in Afghanistan the conditions where freedom will flourish. Those are, of course, the same arguments made by Stephen Harper and are, in their disarming simplicity, emotionally seductive. They would be more persuasive if Karzai had not previously claimed so much progress. In a 2003 swing through North America, the Afghan leader admitted rebuilding his country would be a long and arduous task but prematurely dismissed the Taliban as politically and militarily spent. If he had been correct then, so many Canadians wouldn't be dying there now. While the federal government tries to mask it with jingoistic rhetoric, the reality that Afghanistan and this country now share is that the three Ds strategy of defence, diplomacy and development is failing. Sadly, proof is readily available to anyone willing to look beyond support-the-troops patriotism and the equally narrow, ethnocentric premise that forces of good and evil are locked in a struggle for civilization. Afghanistan's hard truth is that the variables of distant history, current politics and relentless economics are putting stability far over a distant horizon. Books will be written on those failures. But one reason each should be enough to persuade Canadians, if not a federal administration hungry for U.S. approval, to reconsider the mission. http://tinyurl.com/fvafg

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  1. Fri Sep 22, 2006 9:52 pm
    The American made leader of Afghanistan tells Canadians we must save his country. Bush say's "atta boy! Canada". Harper goes on the pulpit and says "I told you so". People wearing red, surround the Parliment buildings in support of the troops. Canada, where are you when Canadians need you?

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  2. Sat Sep 23, 2006 10:17 am
    With Harper going to the UN and telling them that if this mission in Afghanistan fails it will be the UN's fault shows what Harper excels at. Blaming anyone and everyone for his bad decisions. Emerson crossing = What about Belinda? Softwood = I made a deal the Liberals could never have made. Fortier being appointed to Senate and as a minister even though he has never been elected by anyone in Canada = We never broke any laws and the Liberals have done it for years. Afghanistan = The Liberals started it. And now. He has manipulated the conversation into an "out of Afghanistan" the military will not have. He's covering his dimpled arse for when we fail, and we will, it will be the UN's fault not his stupid decision to keep us there until we SUCCEED? What a man. What a despicable man.

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  3. Sat Sep 23, 2006 4:37 pm
    Blaming anyone and everyone for his bad decisions<<

    He adds to and magnifies the problems. He is suppose to be the leader and have the power to solve what had been done by the previous. Instead (as you state) continues on blaming his predecessors. If Harper campaigned to correct the wrong desicions by the Liberals, why then is he adlibbing on those decisions. Canadians have jumped from the fat to the fire. Layton has stated his stance against the present role Canada is taking in Afghanistan. For that he will never get elected. Harper was willing to send troops to Iraq and now our PM. I must be totaly disconnected as to what Canadians want. Is Canada/Canadians becoming war mongers as well?

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  4. Sat Sep 23, 2006 5:51 pm
    boflaade,

    I don't believe Canadians are becoming warmongers. Keep talking to anyone that will listen to you about your disapproval and your suspisions about 9/11 and just see how many do agree with you and if they don't agree just keep asking questions of their disbelief.

    I have lost all shame about looking conspiratorial, wacko, pinko, or whatever other brand the toxic may brand me with.

    I find the most compelling evidence that 9/11 was an inside job in the fact that it took over a year for Bush to finally agree to an investigation and then he gives it 3Million dollars and initially he appoints Kissinger the war criminal to investigate. Just tell people that and then tell them to look it up if still don't believe you.

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  5. Sat Sep 23, 2006 8:01 pm
    You are absolutely right. Harper has no conscience.

    What a political coup to bring Karzai to Canada when so many Canadians are still against the deployment.

    Guess what will happen to the polls in a week or two.

    The emotional appeal by Karzai could work well for the Conservatives.

    The NDP are between a rock and a hard place. They know that Canadians take life and death very seriously, so Layton may have to back peddle a bit.

    The Liberals with no leader- who knows?

    Watch for Ignatieff to pull out all the stops. I think he's going in.

  6. Sat Sep 23, 2006 9:18 pm
    >>just see how many do agree with you and if they don't agree just keep asking questions of their disbelief.<<

    That's what I'm referring to. Even if they do agree, people still don't shun a partnership with the US. I can recall discussions at the time the NAFTA was being introduced. Most were in favor and some actualy believed they could walk across the border and secure a high paying job. Nothing has changed. There are/were those who believe(d) that Canada should have been with the Americans when they invaded Iraq. We ridicule the American voters for not seeing the obvious and yet we claim we are doing good in Afghanistan. Canadians are on the outside looking in and should know better. Instead we are listening to the same propaganda and walking into the same mire. We are glorifying our troops for echoing the Americans. Harper must know how stupid we are because afterall, he is our Prime Minister. We put him there.


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  7. Sun Sep 24, 2006 8:19 am
    " Even if they do agree, people still don't shun a partnership with the US."

    Ya that is hard. I'm of the opinion that the US should be sanctioned for their disregard for the Geneva Conventions and International Law.

    The people you know must not be adversly effected by NAFTA then? They haven't noticed that people are losing their jobs or benefits at their jobs? I call any of my friends on shopping at US locals without giving what they are doing a second thought. If it wasn't for me in their faces they wouldn't even consider looking at labels or where things are being produced.

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  8. Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:20 pm
    The people you know must not be adversly effected by NAFTA then<<

    The shoe is on a different foot now. At the time of the NAFTA deal. I lived in a city. Where I live now is dependent on the logging industry. The local saw mill had it's remaining structure removed last week. This was the old "Fields Sawmill" in the heart of the Comox Valley. The mill had been there for eighty years. You have to remember NAFTA has been around for a while now. Canadians react "after the fact". No warnings in advance will be heeded over the NAU either. We sent troops to Afghanistan during the shock of 911. We rushed in before we knew the full story. Even now, there are those who are in denial.

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  9. Sun Sep 24, 2006 5:32 pm
    The emotional appeal by Karzai could work well for the Conservatives<<

    Unfortunatly, you are right. Canadians don't stop to think "how" Kazai came to power and "who" put him there. It is ironical that Canadians are defying the referance to being a puppet of the United States, yet don't recognize another puppet.

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