Is Our Mission About Preserving Our Way Of Life, Or Helping U.S. Extend Its Supr

Posted on Monday, February 13 at 08:52 by 4Canada
One person who's been saying this — and getting little attention — is Robert Pape, a political scientist at the University of Chicago. Based on the comprehensive databank he's developed as director of the Chicago Project on Suicide Terrorism, Pape concludes there's been a strategic goal common to nearly every act of suicide terrorism in the past 25 years: "To compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland." If we paid more attention to this, and less to the self-satisfying babble about our superior Western ways, we probably wouldn't be increasing our contingent of Canadian troops in Afghanistan. Our troops are attempting a number of things in Afghanistan, including helping the Afghan people build a country. But we are also there to wage war, to kill "scumbags" who "detest our freedoms," as our top military leader, Gen. Rick Hillier, has said. http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0212-24.htm [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on February 14, 2006]

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  1. by chall
    Mon Feb 13, 2006 5:03 pm
    Most of our citizens feel that "our way of life" is to use resources far out of proportion to our population. "Our way of life" is to pursue the "lowest price is the law" philosophy at all costs. "Our way of life" is to turn a blind eye to the misery, death and destruction this system requires. This is what virtually ALL North Americans believe, wether they consciously know it or not.

    The capitalist system requires that the dominant actor in the system be willing and able to wage war against all those who would oppose it. The Americans are arguably the world leader in this system currently, therefore they require supremacy over their markets to ensure the profits keep flowing. If our citizens want to maintain or grow their standard of living, then "our way of life" and the supremacy of America are inextricably linked. The global capital imperialists know this and thats why Canada is firmly lips to ass with the U.S. on this agenda.

  2. Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:08 am
    Sad but true. Imperialists justify their actions by proclaiming good intentions. But the true objective is domination and profit. They preach about spreading good things like democracy but are not above killing people to ensure that their lackies are elected.
    Why are we aiding the imperialist butchers? How long before the pressures of war turn Canadian troops into torturers? Why is there no debate about this? Why don't we pull out of NATO and say 'a pox on the houses of the imperialists'?

  3. Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:31 am
    In order to do this we would need a mass movement - like in Bolivia, for example, and we would have to to break with the corporate state and imperialism. We would need to develop a populist movement that would unite the left, the existing non-alligned social movements along with sincere libertarians and patriotic conservatives (if any of these still exist in this country)

  4. by Deacon
    Tue Feb 14, 2006 10:11 am
    For once I'm going to be no-bull serious.

    As far as the elites who run the show are concerned we're just cordwood to be tossed into the fire of war.

    Not one goddamn thing they've told us since 911 has been even remotely near the truth.

    If it were up to me I'm bring our troop home and tell the US governemt to go f*ck themselves.

  5. Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:14 am
    Even though your comment made me giggle a little Deacon, I have to say that I agree with you, at least mostly.
    I'll repeat what I said in another posting - "The West" (more particularly Canada) needs to get over this notion that we have a responsibility to bring civilization and democracy to the rest of the world. Our foreign policy should be more focused on staying the hell out of other people's business. I was in the first Gulf War aboard HMCS Athabaskan and I felt like we had to defend Kuwait from a foreign agressor that had invaded, but short of this kind of humanitarianism it is the foreign policies of westen nations that are the root cause of most terrorism.
    And they said a perpetual machine could not be built.
    If you want a sense of what good culture sharing is about listen to Harry Manx playing his lap slide guitar and his 20 string mohan veena (Harry Manx - road ragas. Very good)

  6. Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:14 pm
    "I was in the first Gulf War aboard HMCS Athabaskan"

    Did you know any of the 291ers? A P2 perhaps? :)


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  7. Wed Feb 15, 2006 5:58 am
    I'm game. Anyone else?

  8. Thu Feb 16, 2006 5:53 am
    Hey doc. I just noticed your reply. The only P2 I can think of off the top of my head is Rosie (actually he might have been a P1). I can't even remember the old man's name - seems to me he was new - just after Cdr. Peacock?
    It was all a long time ago and many names have faded into the mist. Must have been the 2 beer per man per day (perhaps).
    Cheers!

  9. Thu Feb 16, 2006 4:26 pm
    Just wondered if you remembered P2's named McAllum or Siteman. They are friends of mine who served on the Atha-B during the 1991 war.

    Could have been the wobbly pops though :)

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    "I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

  10. Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:32 am
    Sorry Doc. Neither of those names ring any bells for me. I was in combat ops if that helps any.

  11. Fri Feb 17, 2006 3:41 am
    Hey, no biggie. I figured "how big could the ship be?". Just thought we might have friends/colleagues in common. They were both in comms, so perhaps you didn't cross paths too often.

    Combat ops? I might have some video of you. One of them took a video of the ship's upgrades, and part of what's on it was the missle control room and phalanx control, IIRC. I really couldn't believe they could send back video of the inside of a warship while at war.


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    "I think it's important to always carry enough technology to restart civilization, should it be necessary." Mark Tilden

  12. Fri Feb 17, 2006 4:02 pm
    I spent most of my time in a little dark dungeon they call the ops room below the bridge. That and on bridge rotations. The most enjoyable part was taunting the Americans with cans of beer and tilly hats.
    I have a very nice photo of Atha -b doing a ras with USS Wisconsin in the gulf. It was taken from our helicopter. I know the photo was fairly widely distributed so perhaps you got a copy. It hangs on my wall today.
    I joined the "unlucky lady" in '89 and although i only spent 2 years with her I still feel somewhat sentimental about that ship. She's a good one.
    Were you aboard when we sailed through Hugo off the coast of NFLD in '89? I believe we went to bermuda from there, did our Nato games in the ops area there and as I recall spent a good bit of time looking for a man overboard off HMS Arc Royal in the Saragasso on the way home. Ahh good times.

  13. Fri Feb 17, 2006 5:53 pm
    I think I've seen that photo. Don't recall if I have a copy. I know I've got a copy of a distant photo of the USS Iowa; big ship! I've also got a rare photo, 3 Sea Kings landing on all 3 Tribal Class destroyers in unison.

    No, I never served on the Atha-B, I was Airborne. (Best part about being Army or Navy, right! Never having to say you were Air Force :-) I did get 'the tour' once though, before she was upgraded.



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