U.S. Conservative Opposition To Deep Integration

Good post sthompson.Well worth the read.
I don`t know everything that is going on in this country,but I have been contemplating a lot lately.There is much more to this deep integration,they are successfully keepy away from the public.It is sinister,and it is more about control of the population than big business.
I have no faith in the public to wake up and stop it.

"...the U.S. is such a nationalistic, ethnocentric, jingoistic culture"

But you're not anti-American, right?

Kinda hard to be pro american.They hate everybody.

you say that as though there were something wrong in it LOL


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I just didn't think it would be all that controversial to say that US culture on the whole, and particularly the culture of US conservatism, tends to believe the US is the centre of everything and generally superior, and that said culture is generally patriotic and nationalistic--almost fanatically so.

In Canada there's pride but I don't think we have that sense of manifest destiny, the idea that our destiny and responsibility is to rule the world. Interestingly enough, our own super conservatives tend to be almost disdainful of Canada (Stephen Harper saying "Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status, led by a second-world strongman appropriately suited for the task" and saying the Atlantic provinces have a "culture of defeat" etc etc) and Canadian "traditions" like public health care while at the same time tending to be more opposed to immigration and the like (or at least they say they are, since near as I can tell it's conservative policies causing us to bring in cheap labour from elsewhere), and it's some of the the lefties and red tories (progressive conservatives) who are nationalist--but without the suspicion of immigration etc.

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"I just didn't think it would be all that controversial to say that US culture on the whole, and particularly the culture of US conservatism, tends to believe the US is the centre of everything and generally superior, and that said culture is generally patriotic and nationalistic--almost fanatically so."


Okay?
That which you have identified as US culture more a product of sustained propaganda (contrived and engineered)more than a natural evolution of thought to idea, of course this can be said of any and most Comtempary societies, Germany, in it’s day, and German people I’ve met display a similar arrogance and the same has been said of Japanese engineers,
Nationalism demands seeing ones nation as the center of the universe


"In Canada there's pride but I don't think we have that sense of manifest destiny, the idea that our destiny and responsibility is to rule the world. Interestingly enough, our own super conservatives tend to be almost disdainful of Canada (Stephen Harper saying "Canada appears content to become a second-tier socialistic country, boasting ever more loudly about its economy and social services to mask its second-rate status, led by a second-world strongman appropriately suited for the task" and saying the Atlantic provinces have a "culture of defeat" etc etc) and Canadian "traditions" like public health care while at the same time tending to be more opposed to immigration and the like (or at least they say they are, since near as I can tell it's conservative policies causing us to bring in cheap labour from elsewhere), and it's some of the the lefties and red tories (progressive conservatives) who are nationalist--but without the suspicion of immigration etc."

It is not only ‘super conservatives’ holding disdainful attitudes towards ‘Canaduh’. You may have read the contribution naming so-called ‘Canadian’ politicians lockstep with the Bilderbergers . The point being, economic control knows no nationality and yet writers still persist in applying national identity the international moneyed class


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Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boy.
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I can see their point. Integration implies acquiring some of the traits of the other. That is not in the US lexicon. Assimilation might be the better word:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borg</a><br />
"You will be assimilated – resistance is futile."<br />
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And quite frankly, they would be much more comfortable with assimilation. To "one nation, under God", there is nothing more to be learned from "outside".<p>---<br>RickW

Don't you get it?

It is so simple.

Let me spell it out for you.

The USA only wants those natural resources you possess, and it will pay you the going rate for them.

The USA does NOT want Canucks.

The USA does NOT want to run Canaduh.

The USA simply doesn't give a shit about you, beyond your ability to deliver products for an agreed upon price.

That is all. Canadians are mostly dull, infrequently amusing, but are world-wide seen as inherently irrelevant.

To the USA, Canadians are simply valued for their ability to chop wood, carry water, and sell Canadian rocks and trees.

Damn right, we don't want to "integrate" you. Assimilate if you wish.

Canada: For Sale.

"That is all. Canadians are mostly dull, infrequently amusing, but are world-wide seen as inherently irrelevant."

Tell that to all those kids tiptoeing thu the land mines. Or read a brief bio of Lester Pearson.

"To the USA, Canadians are simply valued for their ability to chop wood, carry water, and sell Canadian rocks and trees."

Yeah, yeah, sez the ignorant American, and then the Canadian expat pulls the suit jacket over the fella's head like a hockey jersey and starts harvesting teeth. We've all seen that beer ad.

And now: the world? The U.S.A.? Which are we talking about, or rather which are you pretending to speak for, or is it one and the same in your mind?

Thanks for proving sthompson's point.

Eh, Dogman, Your bile is typically anti-american canucklehead spew.

The rest of your post makes little sense.

Who is tiptoeing thru (sic) land mines?
Where?
Why?

So, those dumb canadiuns are not staying oot of minefields, but are somehow there because of Americans? Well, dumb canadiuns, just stay home!

Lester Peason? He was fascinated by UFO's in 1966. Why should any Americans give a shit aboot Lester Pearson?

Ignorant? Expat? Beer ad? Damn, you're all over the place. No wonder the world thinks Canada (canaduh?) stands for nothing, with no ability to stand up and enforce anything it might think important.

Canaduh - safe harbor of known terroists.
Canaduh - seen as worthless anti-allies.
Canaduh - the defenceless country happy to backstab it's only protector.
Canaduh- For Sale.

I suspect that the American "conservative" coalition between the economic conservatives and the social conservatives is starting to fall apart.

Here in Canada increasingly the support for the new Conservative Party is being limited to those who are both economic and social conservatives, with a fringe group of other conservatinves hanging on in hopes of reclaiming the party at some point in the future.

It always troubles me when we characterize a whole nation by the words and actions of a dominant elite. I agree with Diogenes that it is the international monied class that holds a disdainful attitude towards, not just national borders, but all of those they see as their "inferiors." It just happens that the majority of them seem to come from the United States and in the US their voices have drowned out all the others.

In the western world wealth, or the control of wealth, has become the primary measure of human value. Hence politicians and the national media see only those who own or control wealth as worthy of their attention.

I think it also can be said that increasingly the same thing is happening here in Canada.

Absolutely right. The US did a study in the 1980s on what Canadian provinces/territories they would want if they petitioned for entry in the US. (In other words the US wouldn't bother seeking them out or doing anything to entice them to join.) The only Canadian provinces/territories the report said the US should accept are Alberta, BC, and Yukon. That's it. (Perhaps the NWT might be included now that Nunavut has been created out of it.)

Would the US want Altantic Canada? They don't want that economic basket case.

Would the US want the praries? Are you kidding?

Would the US want Quebec? The US has no interest in aquiring the problems Canada has with Quebec/

Would the US want Ontario? No, it wouldn't do them any good.

Would the US want Nunavut? The US will support Nunavut's merger with Greenland to form a greater Inuit state long before they would want it to be a part of the US.

No, it's pro-Canadian. I've got lots plenty American friends, and plenty of <br />
Americans to admire as well. Just not you, pal. And believe me, you've got <br />
plenty of drinkin' buddies north of the border too.<br />
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FYI: <a href="http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1957/pearson-bio.html">http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/1957/pearson-bio.html</a><br />
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The land mine reference was because it was us who spearheaded the <br />
landmine treaty that has been signed and/or ratified by most nations (with <br />
the usual notable exceptions...hmmm). Big deal, right? Well, lots of <br />
Canadians are proud of it, and if you think otherwise--shocker--I really don't <br />
give a crap. And drop the "backstab" nonsense, if the U.S. had proceeded <br />
without deliberately violating Nuremburg laws we'd have been right there and <br />
you know it.<br />
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There are, for sure, some real anti-Americans among us--you find that <br />
wherever you go these days, as well as hyper-pro-american types who hate <br />
this country as much as you seem to. <br />
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Most of us are just anti-jerk though. Mind your manners and you'll probably <br />
find that out.

Hopefully their opposition won't derail the progress already made. Canada is in danger of slipping even further in living standards if we isolate ourselves. Better integration with more free and open societies and economies will be hugely beneficial to Canadians. And it will lessen the ability of our own politicians to meddle in economic matters, reducing the damage they have done to many parts of the country like the maratimes.