Jack Layton And A Liberal Minority Government ?

Posted on Thursday, February 19 at 20:57 by Jim Callaghan
But Mr. Layton says a non-negotiable precondition of any coalition with the Liberals will be holding a national referendum on switching to a new method of electing MPs to Parliament. "The condition of supporting any minority government would be that."

The NDP wants Canada to change to a so-called proportional representation system from the first-past-the-post method of sending MPs to the House of Commons today.

Mr. Layton said that proportional representation -- where parties win Parliamentary seats according to the percentage of votes they get in an election - would end Liberal dominance of Parliament. The Liberals often get no more than 40 per cent of the national vote but control a majority of seats because their candidates come up the middle after other parties split the vote in ridings, he says.

"We want to change the system that is allowing this kind of relatively arrogant ... government to exist in the country," Mr. Layton said.

[snip]...Prime Minister Paul Martin's Liberals have seen their national support slide nine percentage points because of the $250-million sponsorship scandal.

An Ipsos-Reid poll conducted immediately after the release of Auditor-General Sheila Fraser's report on the scandal last week shows the Martin government dropped nine percentage points this month, down to 39 per cent of decided voters, from 48 per cent in January.

Another drop of five to six percentage points would put the government's majority in danger if an election were held this spring, pollsters say.
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It's worth a try. Let's see how this one plays out.

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  1. Sat Feb 21, 2004 2:09 am
    This gets a little scary, but we\'ll have to see I guess, does it mean NDP will vote with the Liberals on the census, on the BMD, on the NAFTA and other trade agreements...I can\'t really see this, the NDP and Liberal are so far apart,which I\'m glad they are, but how can they stand together in the house? What\'s up Jack??/

  2. Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:01 am
    The federal NDP has never formed an official coalition when participating
    in a minority government, even provincially it has rarely happens.
    Instead, they have negotiated support on specific confidence motions
    (ex.: budget bills) in exchange for support of progressive
    measures.

    What Layton is saying is that if the Liberals want the NDP\'s support for
    confidence motions such as the budget, there will be a number of
    conditions, the first being that a referendum on proportional
    representation be held. But there\'s no way Layton would bargain away
    such fundamental issues to the NDP such as BMD, NAFTA and other
    trade agreements or even the census. NDP members would lynch him!

  3. Sat Feb 21, 2004 3:53 am
    Layton has not put his opinion for NAFTA forward except for re-negotiation, and we all should know that the US will not re-negotiate NAFTA, we have to give the 6 month notice that we are going to abrogate it !!

    I don\'t think Jack has really read the treaty.



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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  4. Sat Feb 21, 2004 8:26 am
    He\'s hinted at the \"possibility\" pf abrogating, but I agree, he\'s been VERY weak on this issue.

  5. Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:33 pm
    Layton\'s just a TV-monger, he was a bad politico in Toronto and now he wants a bigger stage for his goofy ideas. Hopefully he will never be in a position of real power because he cannot be trusted.

  6. Tue Feb 24, 2004 2:56 am
    Hi anonymous. What didn\'t you like about Layton in Toronto as a councillor?

    And can the others be trusted any more?!

  7. by L. Ray
    Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:02 am
    Howdy everybody! I\'m new here.

    I think it was a strategic error to make this statement.

    We don\'t even know the names of the culprits of the latest scandal related to the Liberals; the cause Layton can even entertain such thoughts. Should Layton not have mentionned as the first precondition that names will be revealed of who stole taxpayers\' money and that measures are implemented to hopefully avoid similar misappropriations in the future?

    An election hasn\'t even been called yet and he offers to keep the Liberals in power. Why even bother to vote NDP then? Wasn\'t it under Trudeau that the NDP kept the Liberals in power until the latter saw fit to call an election? And the NDP lost considerable support in it, if I\'m not mistaken.

    Way too early to offer the support if indeed it should really be forthcoming other than for measures, like proportional representation, the NDP stands for.

    They should not offer to keep them in power at all unless they entered a formal coalition government. (And that won\'t happen and would proabably kill the NDP as a force of the left.)

  8. Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:55 am
    welcome L.Ray! :-)

    Kevin Gagnon
    http://www.kevingagnon.ca

  9. Tue Feb 24, 2004 6:06 am
    You make a good point, L. Ray. I agree it\'s like putting the cart before the horse.

    My memory isn\'t good enough to remember when the NDP held the balance of power in a Trudeau minority government.

    Perhaps you can remind me what year that was ?

    Thanks.



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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  10. Tue Feb 24, 2004 7:01 am
    I agree why get in bed with a party that is very very shaky at best and maybe very very corrupt? I keep hoping Jack will be what we need him to be, but every time I start to believe he does something really strange...I am so hoping the CAP will have a wild and media covered leadership convention...and I mean yesterday! We really need the issues out front and centre so that people can make an informed decision. I maybe am a dreamer, but I think that an individual with a strong party that actually spoke the truth, laid everything out for the public to see, no hidden double talk, could get elected!

  11. Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:03 am
    Welcome to our nightmare, L.Ray...it\'s the Canadian nightmare of course, but we seem to be acutely aware of it on this site...hope you like a hearty debate; cause sometimes we are brutally honest and really mean, usually we reserve that type of comment for the corporate cheerleaders though, so you should be relatively safe...ha ha,

    It\'s always nice to see new postings, it shows us that the masses are actually becoming interested in the state of affairs, it\'s going to be the next pandemic, I hope!

  12. Tue Feb 24, 2004 3:31 pm
    If everyone on this website sends an email to everyone in their address book, perhaps the recipients will keep it going.

    Do you have any idea how fast our numbers could rise ??

    Just a thought. I\'ve already done so, twice.

    The Internet is huge, let\'s try to maximize it.





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    "Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
    Jim Callaghan
    Minden, Ontario
    705-286-1860
    www.misterc.ca

  13. Tue Feb 24, 2004 5:56 pm
    <P> I have an idea of how to promote this site and much of the information you find here. To just send out emails is almost like spam to some people. You never know how one would take a unexpected email from you promoting a site. Not saying everyone will have people in their address book that would think something is spam coming from someone they have talked to before. But just making a valid point, I think. That there are people who will view it as spam. <P> Anyways a way to promote it is by sending a type of email that would encourage someone to forward the email to peole on their address list as well. Send something that is informative so your sharing and teaching rather then selling or promoting something. Although you are in a sense promoting this site, at least your giving the people something of value by sending them a informative email with information that can be important to them and people they know. <P> If your not sure what I mean. Think of those (fwd) emails that always go around. Some of them jokes, some of them stories. These types of (Fwd) emails end up in the inboxes of thousands or even millions of users when it gets fowarded so many times over. <P> This is the best way to promote vive. Forward important information that one would be interested enough to read and share. Even petitions are a excellent source for (fwd) emails. Have the vive website with the informative email. <P> Sound like an idea? <P> Kevin Gagnon<BR> <a href="http://www.kevingagnon.ca">www.kevingagnon.ca</a>

  14. by L. Ray
    Tue Feb 24, 2004 9:25 pm
    Hi Kevin,

    A quick google search turned up these links (and more about minority governments in Canada):

    \"Minority government can be exciting -- and politically dangerous
    ...... For former prime minister Pierre Trudeau, who was a minister in one minority government, led another, and headed the opposition in a third, they were exciting times, akin to canoeing through seething rapids........But minorities are exhilarating in the way a bungee jump is exhilarating, says a less-enthusiatic Liberal aide who helped cope with the fallout after the 1972......

    http://www.canoe.ca/PastHeadlines/may30_minority.html

    \"A chronology of the life of Pierre Elliott Trudeau .....
    Oct. 30, 1972: Liberals win minority government.

    July 8, 1974: Federal election returns Liberal majority.\"

    http://www.canoe.ca/CNEWSTrudeauNews/00 ... u5-cp.html


    The following is from a short paper which I have only skimmed. So I don\'t necessarily agree with it.

    \"....Out of eighteen post-war elections, all but three produced a government representing a minority of voters, all but
    six of them with a majority of seats. These six were all short-lived minority governments....\"

    http://www.fairvotecanada.org/updir/Tho ... lition.pdf



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