Nobody Loves Canada

Naturally, this sort of thing starts at the top. When the government of Brian Mulroney started the treason, further augmented by Chretien and Martin, resulting in a stake through the heart of national identity and vision, people became more and more apathetic. Something grand must re-awake the political spark, the civic enthusiasm Canadians once had. Something like another energetic, magnanimous visionary like a Trudeau or Tommy Douglas. Or something like, increased poverty, violence, and misery to touch more of the populace due to the current path we are on. Sadly, right now the blindness of complacency is deafening.

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Dave Ruston

I don't like the cultural left inspires anyone anymore Dave....when people are angry, they don't want to hear about the underpriveleged....that's why Mike Harris won.

I also don't think the NDP catering to immigrants will endear them to native-born Canadians anymore than it will endear Canadians to the other sellout parties.

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

For gods sake stop pointing at people like Mike Harris , Brian Mulroney, Paul Martin , Stephen Harper,Glen Clarke, Mike Harcourt, John Buchanan, Gerald Regan and so many other, the problems and the corruption are sanctioned and promoted by the parties they all belong to.

I ask what does not being willing to support a system that breeds ill will, acts of bad faith and abuse of power have to do with love of country?

What have you done to bring about change within the political cult you belong to? Have you read and understood the bylaws, constitution and rules of the party? Why cann't we sue a political party whenit breaches our trust and breaks their mandate or verbal election contract they have with we the tax payers?




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Good government is not a party government

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When a country's, or society's, economy is owned and controlled from abroad that country is called a colony and its citizens are slaves, kept in servitude and under control, usually, by local quisling governments. As in the case of Canada.

I remember Canada from the '50s and '60s as a vibrant, growing and, for a great part, self sufficient economy with a huge variety of career opportunities, where people could use their inborn talents to make their living.

All this has been destroyed by phoney economic theories and by politicians in the service of multinationals shutting down whole industries and permitting the exportation of benefits that should feed and protect their own citizens.

There's no point in moaning and groaning over the effects if we're not ready to look for and eliminate the causes, imported and being taught in our tax supported universities as "sciences".

The intellectual quality of the presently ruling economic theory reminds me of Hitler's Rosenberg Religion, the basis of Aryan superiority. Dr.Rosenberg was hanged after WW2. I don't wish the same fate for our economic professors, but seeing them sweeping the Trans Canada Hwy. with handbrooms would warm my heart.

Canada could and should be A, or THE leader in the campaign to free all nations and societies from the artificial chains
of globalized dictatorships. But that would take a bit of imagination and courage, the first thing destroyed by would be rulers to create a serviant public feeding their insatiable greed for power.

Ed Deak, very proud, foreign born Canadian. Big Lake, BC.

Ed Before Canada could and should be A, or THE leader in the campaign to free all nations and societies from the artificial chains of globalized dictatorships, they would have to clean out the party system.

Political parties are in themselves examples of dictatorships. They control the membership, they control the candidate whom we are led to belive will represent those who vote and elect him / her to office.

But we are fast to learn that the Candidate is not our representative, but the representative of the party.

Bring democracy to the party first. Then give the citizens the legal power to sue the party for wrong doing. Place the same values of the law on the party and members of the party that every other citizen must live by, then we might see accountability in Ottawa.

Until then Ed, I cannot support such a self serving political party system. Tomorrow millions of tax paying Canadian will not vote and that my friend is a real act of democracy. Imagine not supporting corruption, wow.

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You can't give the citizen anything Wayne. You are not in power. Neither are we. We can affect change by electing political parties that have not had a chance to govern the country. If they do not make changes we want immediately, then they should not be suffered for a second term. Bring in new people. No more bullshit. Do the job right the first time or get the hell out.

Milton Please:

In this 2006 Canadian election we have twenty three million registered voters . Of that 23 million only 2 % belongs to parties, making that four hundred and sixty thousand card carrying members which must be divided between all parties.

But just for the hell of it lets divide the four hundred and sixty thousand card carrying members between five parties, instead of the 15 running in this election. So based on 5 political parties , each party would have a membership of ninety two thousand. Imaging ninety two thousand card carrying party members who are on that winning team , get to govern this country , which has a total population of 32 plus million.

My god if people out there cannot see that something is way out of proportion her in the way we set up our governing system, they must be blind. What will be interesting to learn after the vote count has been taken , how many of that 23 million voted.

So the hearing of this post is “I’m A Loser bebe “ does not apply to the province of Quebec , based on the present political electoral system , we will end up with one party which is made up of proximity 92 thousand card carry party members..

Milton, I want to see those parties you reference as never having the chance to govern, clean up first. These parties you talk about must be the Green Party and the Canadian Action Party are they?

We let me see, maybe they should start right now planning for the next election. Rewrite their bylaws, constituation and party rules to reflect honesty , accountability and openess. Maybe they should set their party up so the candidate who is running under the party name is set up in a way that the party has limited power over the candidate.

How about political parties being required to post a trust and truth bond? Lets set a figure of 2% of all fund raised are held in trust to cover the cost of any investigation or hearing looking into party questionable action.

How about changing the rules so we the tax paryers can sue any political party for wrong doing.. one example would be the Liberal Sponcorship Ad Scam, we should as tax payers been able to lay charges against that party and sue them for the abusive way they used our tax dollars.

Milton you talk about I have no power and that I am on able to give the citizens anything, because I am not in power. Well think about that for one second, not many of the people we elect can give us anything either, we get what the the Cabinet Minister of that little dictatorship are willing to give us and they take from us what they want to take.. all because someone thinks that this broken system is working.

Milton , I have voted in every election except the last one and this one will be my second. I cannot support a system that is not working in the best interest of this country and all of its people. Fix the party system and then maybe Canada will be on it way to reforming how we get a governing system that represents all.

For now Milton I as a tax paying Canadian will not support a party system that uses what was once our government , to tax the hell out of us in the name of maintaining our public infrastructure and then turn those taxes over to their friends. NO WAY IS THAT GOOD GOVERNMENT.


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Wayne,

I appreciate what you're saying and support your right to say it. I don't necessarily like parties any more than you do, but there's no way out, so I will vote against any hope of getting rid of our present, seatwarmer Reform MP, but consider it my duty to make my mark.

How do you see that by not voting for anybody you'll bring on a better form of government ?

Also, if we don't have parties in Parliament, who are going to be the candidates, are we going to have hundreds to choose from, why and who will appoint the PM and the Ministers, etc. ?

I realize that in the USA it is the President who does appoint their version of Ministers, but first of all we'd have to have a completely different political structure, Constitution etc.

Also, do you think the US system of government is superior to ours and all other democracies on Earth, using the party system ? How do you like the present bunch they have ?

Churchill wasn't one of my heroes, but sometimes he did say the right things. One of them was, if I remember well : "Democracy is the most inefficient form of government, but think of the alternatives".

Ed Deak,

PS: To avoid any misunderstandings, I don't have any heroes, especially among politicians, regardless of the colour of the flag they're waving.

Well at least you recognize there is a problem as I do, but I cannot bring myself to support something that is morally and ethically bankrupt. If I were to go and vote tomorrow Ed , I would betraying my values and I would be supporting a system that is in much need of repair.

Your Question Ed and it is a very important one : How do you see that by not voting for anybody you'll bring on a better form of government ?

My answer: I look at it in the same way, others look at why they will not vote for the Liberal Party, they do not agree with their action and the way they abuse power and have broken trust, so they will not be voting Liberal.

Based on what everyone is pretty much saying on this site, those people are wrong and should vote for the Liberal party, so what if they are morally and ethically bankrupt, keep them in power.

Well Ed I think the political parties have to much power and once they get in government,history has documented the abuse and it is an on going problem. So, I cannot support a party structured system that is so out of tune with the Citizens of Canada.

Voting has little to do with a democracy, when 92 thousand card carrying members get to hold power over the remaining thirty one plus million Canadians, that Ed has to be one of two things, it either represents an Oligarchy or a little dictatorship, it does not represent a balanced democracy.

Who said in order to belong to a democratic society one must belong to a party? I think we "Canadians" have to valuate and reform this system. If the parties were smart, they would start now, cleaning themselves up.

But for now Ed, my family will not be supporting a system that tax the hell out of us, abuses our tax dollars, lets our public infrastructure collapse, turn our tax dollars over to their friends and ignores us when we call upon them to answer some very big concern we have with the system.





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Yes, the system is corrupt from top to bottom. We are born into it. But how do you suppose that you are not supporting it? You pay taxes, you buy goods and services, you do all the things a good little consumer should do. We all do. We have no choice other than to abandon the country by moving elsewhere. The only way to change it is to vote the incumbents out and put people in who will support proportional representation and government by referendum. Not voting will not change it. Posting truth bonds will not change it. Bouncing the bought and paid for out of office and replacing them with new folks who have not been purchased and who were elected to bring about specific changes gives us a chance to change it. Vote!

Wayne, honestly, I think we all see and appreciate your point. And you have some good ideas. I know we like to speak on about the CAP, or the Greens, or the NDP as a better alternative to the other two corporate fascist parties. I think we all see that there`s a problem. And if everyone in Canada eligible to vote did what you suggest, sure, it would surely send a message. But also keep in mind that corruption can still seduce those not affiliated with any party. I see it all the time in municipal politics. I don`t know, I guess I don`t know what the answer is. Just like the Who`s song 'Won`t get fooled again' ends with the line, " Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss." Until people abandon their self-centredness and their greed, we`re always going to be stuck with corrupt tyrants.

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Dave Ruston

The main problem is not political parties, but politicians in political parties, owned and controlled by big business.<br />
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Dear Ed: People like Thomas d'Aquino President & Chief Executive Canadian Council of Chief Executives
Industry: Canadian Business, get their access to what was once the peoples "government" through the party system.

This is what I am talking about, political parties have been high-jacked by self serving groups.. they maybe business or unions ,but never the less it is through the party system the gain their influnce on how business is done here in Canada.

I cannot support such a system that leaves the impression the voters/ taxpayers matter. We need reform and the best way to get reform is by not supporting corruption. I shall not give people like Buzz Hargrove or Thomas d'Aquino another turn to screw me as a tax payer. FIX THIS SYSTEM IF YOU WANT MY TRUST.


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