Canadian Politics Taking A Dangerously American Turn

Posted on Friday, February 22 at 12:29 by superputz2
Harper knows full well that Canadians are split down the middle as to whether we should even be in Afghanistan, but he’s rubbing his hands in glee while he creates a scenario that is designed specifically to force the defeat of his government. Make no mistake about it — Harper doesn’t give a rat’s behind about the people of Afghanistan, any more than his Liberal predecessors Paul Martin and Jean Chrétien did. This is a strictly high-wire balancing act with a goal toward appeasing American interests and our obligations in NATO and the United Nations. The key is that people in Afghanistan are no worse off than those in dozens of other nations around the world. But we don’t go into Africa because there are no political or economic benefits, and we don’t go into Southeast Asia because to do so might trigger a larger conflagration. Afghanistan is a perfect place for world powers to play games in — it’s relatively isolated and doesn’t have close allies to defend it. The sad thing is that many of us seem perfectly willing to send our young men and women off to their death when recent history demonstrated that military intervention has little chance of success. A hundred thousand Russian troops learned that lesson the hard way. ... read the rest: http://www.crestonvalley.com/advance/article6.shtml

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  1. by Belle
    Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:00 pm
    9/11 is the Litmus Test.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2008/02/911-is-litmus-test.html">http://smokingmirrors.blogspot.com/2008/02/911-is-litmus-test.html</a><br />
    <br />

  2. Fri Feb 22, 2008 10:30 pm
    Keeping in mind that it was the Liberals under Chrétien that got Canada into the Afghanistan quagmire in the first place without any evidence that confirmed the US version of 9/11 to be even remotely believable.

    Now fast forward to the present, and what makes Harper even worse than Chrétien is that at this point in time it has become well worn out obvious that the Afghan war has nothing to do with 9/11 (the official version has long since been thoroughly discredited as untrue), or protecting Canada, or protecting Afghan women, or with locating Osama bin Laden and his team of cave dwelling terrorists, yet Harper continues on as if *we* actually still believe the lies or somehow that we can be reprogrammed into believing the lies again. At least back in Chrétien's day, Jean knew that many Canadians had bought into the propaganda and lies wholesale giving him the green light to assist the USA in their military quest to colonize Afghanistan.

    The 9/11 scam is clearly over, no one believes the lies anymore, most of the original 9/11 liars and war mongers have faded away into obscurity in disgrace as confirmed terrorists and war criminals, and the Afghan war has clearly been lost, yet Harper refuses to see any of it.

    Do we really want a clearly delusional man leading Canada?

  3. Sat Feb 23, 2008 4:03 am
    Actually it's not just a struggle in Afghanistan, it's a holy war, what some call "a war of ideologies". While America has already placed themselves on one side of the war, historically, we Canadians have tried to be neutral. Harper is a strategist, he probably knows the truths of this matter as he must be somewhat brighter then Bush. The sad fact is that if Canada ever went into martial law Canada's religious elites will be used much like they are planning in the states in the event of martial law - to use Christian influence to take a strangle hold on political dissidents with the complete backing of police and SWAT. Not only religion will be used but major businesses. With Bill C-36 it's just the beginning. What's to come next is of biblical proportions. The Harper cannot get a majority government.

  4. Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:20 am
    I'M TELLIN INDIE ON YOU LOT OF ANTI-AMERICANS. SO THERE TOO

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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake

  5. Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:04 am
    " .. what some call "a war of ideologies".

    More like a war against global freedom, good will, and sensibility (among other things). What I see are some very nasty psychopaths who wish to dominate so thoroughly that they can do whatever they want. There's clearly a war going on over strategic supplies of oil and gas, that much is certain and I wonder how much of the global warming (aka climate change) scam is tied into it.

    I agree that a concerted attempt is being made to frame Muslims (who so happen to live on resource rich lands) as being terrorists as a means to create an "us vs them" mindset - an old trick used during WW II by the Nazi's against the Jews, homosexuals, the mentally and physically disabled, and so on. We saw it happen right here in Canada, with the imprisonment of the Japanese which also involved the profiteering theft of their property.

    Although I agree that the 9/11 "us vs them" scam did have some success over the first couple of years, it was not very widespread and has since fizzled out.

  6. Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:41 pm
    Oh please.

    I'm waiting for you to launch a URL-encrusted tirade in response to rearguard's citing of the suffering of Jews under the Nazis.

  7. Sat Feb 23, 2008 5:46 pm
    I guess Canadian nationalists don't ever engage in "us vs. them" demagoguery, eh?

  8. Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:15 pm
    pack a lunch LOL

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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake

  9. by RPW
    Sun Feb 24, 2008 2:45 am
    The Libs and Cons are like Fric and Frac (aka "Tweedledum and Tweedledee") While they might play off on another, that is strictly for show. Both are on the same track.

    So it doesn't matter that the Libs may have committed to Afghanistan, and the Cons carried it out. Nor does it matter that the Cons keep blustering non-confidence motions, and the Libs keep backing out of confrontation. The work that both parties are committed to keeps functioning.

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    "When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change."
    -Max Planck

  10. Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:13 am
    I see many so-called 'nationalists' talk about how integration with the US is generally a bad thing for the average Canadian. As far as I know, the US is the only country that's trying to 'integrate' with Canada, and as far as I can tell, whatever integration that has been tried out has not in general been seen as a good thing by the average Canadian. NAFTA appears to be largely one-sided situation that mostly favors the US corporation and government over the Canadian public good.

    A good example is the rock quarry in NS, where a US corporation was rejected, but is suing the Canadian government for millions because it claims that the rejection unfairly and unjustifiably took into consideration the communities desire that there be no rock quarry in the area.

    I know the area in question and have personally been there, and I know that any large scale mining project would forever destroy the region, yet according to proponents of NAFTA that's not supposed to matter.

    Keep in mind that NAFTA is generally seen as a bad thing among the American people themselves, who are losing jobs to cheap labour in Mexico, and who also see the profits of corporations being given much more weight than the needs of the people.

    We're not talking about an "us vs them", as you are heavily suggesting, instead we're talking about "destructive and unfair policies" vs "constructive and fair policies" for not only Canadian's but American's alike.

  11. Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:25 am
    See my replies to Indi above.<br />
    <br />
    And below is a link to the many replies to Indi as he (or she, I have no idea which) tries to justify the use of the blanket term 'anti-american' against not only Vive's posters but against Canadians in general, <br />
    <a href="http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20080214165326754#comments">http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php/20080214165326754#comments</a><br />
    <br />

  12. Sun Feb 24, 2008 8:32 am
    "The work that both parties are committed to keeps functioning."

    Agreed. It works just like the two-party system in the USA, where both support each others core policies but pretend that they oppose each other by opposing only superficial policies. When really unpopular and destructive policies are pushed through, one party becomes the 'bad guy' and sacrifices itself politically to effect the policies, while the other later on assumes control as the 'good guy', but fails to reverse all of the negative core policies while in that capacity, only to reverse superficial policies or water down a few core ones as a gesture of goodwill.

    The Cons and Libs continually play off each other, and the Canadian voter seems to have an infinite capacity to swallow it up whole without ever learning.

    You'd think with reality TV shows as popular as 'Survivor' that more than a few would clue in that they are being played.

  13. by RPW
    Sun Feb 24, 2008 5:04 pm
    <blockquote> The Cons and Libs continually play off each other, and the Canadian voter seems to have an infinite capacity to swallow it up whole without ever learning. </blockquote> And have been scared to death to vote for a 3rd or 4th party when they actually get to vote. <p>The electorate is much like Wiarton Willie (and voting NDP, Greens, CAP, et al is like jumping at our own shadow, and scurrying back down into our burrows), except we "groundhogs" come out only every 4 years, "evacuate" and head back down to sleep. Since we're down to 60% turnout, the 40% who do not vote must be getting awfully constipated!</p> <p>---<br>"When you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change." <br />
    -Max Planck<br />
    <br />

  14. Sun Feb 24, 2008 6:41 pm
    indie is very much caught up in the Fish in Dreams syndrome,
    There is an old joke about a therapist who operated on the theory that all
    problems could be traced to dreaming about fish. A patient came to him
    complaining about his lackluster sexual relations with his wife. Here's a
    "transcript" of their first session together...

    Patient: My wife and I just aren’t getting along, doctor, you know, in bed.
    Between my work schedule and her dealing with the kids, it just feels like
    the magic's gone.

    Therapist: Hmmmm... tell me, do you ever dream?

    P: Uh - sure, I dream.

    T: Tell me of your most recent dream.

    P: Well, I don't remember much. I was walking down a city street and there
    were lots of tall buildings and cars but no people.

    T: Had it been raining?

    P: Not sure - I guess it might have been.

    T: So there were puddles?

    P: I guess there could have been puddles.

    T: And, I'm just guessing here, might there have been fish in those puddles?

    P: Wow - I suppose there might have been...

    T: (triumphant) Ah ha! Just as I suspected - fish in the dreams!


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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake



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