Martin To "Reject" Participation In BMD

Posted on Wednesday, February 23 at 09:17 by canuck
Martin's government lost its majority last spring and the Bloc Québécois and the New Democrats oppose the plan, while the Conservatives support it but want a full debate on Canada's role. As well, Martin faces stiff resistance in his own caucus. The Liberals also want to improve their fortunes in Quebec, where there seems to be little support for missile defence. Federal officials told the Canadian Press that the United States was informed of Canada's decision at the NATO summit in Brussels. "[The Americans] were told we will not participate," a federal official, who asked to remain anonymous, told the agency. "It is a firm 'no.' I am not sure it is an indefinite 'no.'" --- Canada already 'part of' missile defence: McKenna Earlier Tuesday, McKenna, a former New Brunswick premier, delivered an opposite message outside a meeting of the foreign affairs committee, which is examining his appointment as the next ambassador to the United States. "I believe that we've given in large measure what the Americans want, which is the ability to use NORAD and their intercept information in order to be able to target weaponry," he said. Canada agreed last August to allow Norad, the joint Canada-U.S. air defence command, to share information it gathers with the people running the U.S. missile defence program. McKenna's comments touched off a fiery exchange in the House of Commons. "They don't want to tell the population that we've got our arm in the wringer of the washing machine and it's sucking us in," charged Bloc Québécois MP Michel Gauthier. But Defence Minister Bill Graham repeatedly insisted that there is no contradiction between what McKenna said Tuesday and what the Liberal government has been saying all along. "Canada's position is not a done deal," he said, adding that the Liberals have not signed off on issues such as "how it works and ultimate deployment" of U.S. weapons to shoot down incoming missiles aimed at North American targets. Conservative Leader Stephen Harper wasn't buying the distinction. "How could this prime minister secretly make this decision, so clearly breaking every commitment he's made to this House and to Canadians?" he asked during Question Period. "All the ambassador said is that we signed a NORAD agreement," Graham replied. "If that's a surprise to the leader of the opposition, it is certainly not a surprise to us." U.S. has 'great deal' of what it needs: McKenna McKenna told reporters he believes the U.S. now has much of what it needs to operate a "modest ballistic missile defence program." When asked by reporters if Canada was part of the program, he said: "We are. We're part of it now and the question is, what more we need. "There's no doubt, in looking back, that the NORAD amendment has given, has created part – in fact a great deal – of what the United States means in terms of being able to get the input for defensive weaponry," he said. McKenna says the United States has not asked Canada for financial support for the program and it hasn't asked to put missile interceptors on Canadian territory. He says he's not sure what Bush means when he calls for Canada to sign on to the program. The Liberals were expected to debate Canada's full participation in missile defence at the party's national convention in two weeks. http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/02/22/mckenna-missile050222.html ------------------------------------------- I had a feeling that Canada's inexplicable devotion to NORAD would be the foot in the door for BMD in Canada, as the system depends upon much more than just missile launching sites. This is cementing my belief that these obsolete defense treaties should be abrogated immediately. It's time to demand Canada's national defense to be our sole responsibility. It is unjustifiable to expect any other nation to do so. It's also humorous to note (that is, if it wasn't so embarassing...) how the government's stance has drifted from assuring Canadians that it was being staunchly opposed to BMD/Star Wars to simply providing an "indefinite" no, with regards to interceptor missiles on Canadian territory. I can understand why Harper is getting annoyed with Martin governing the way he would... at least it's reassuring to know that the opposition is doing its job. [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on February 24, 2005]

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  1. Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:30 pm
    Our Mr. Martin sees fear everywhere. We are so risk adverse we don't have leaders we only have insurance adjusters. Our chief insurance adjuster will do nothing.

    We ain't important but we sure are the funniest country in NATO.

  2. Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:37 pm
    We're important...the future will be bright.

  3. Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:11 pm
    I wonder if this is double speak once again, 'Prime Minister Paul Martin will reject Canadian participation in the full U.S. missile defence program, CBC News has learned.' The appropriate word in question, 'the full' does that mean a partial participation? These guys are smooth, no doubt.

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  4. by Wraun
    Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:36 pm
    Yes, just what does "not full participation" mean? That was my first question as well. Was it a reference to NORAD? Interesting how McKenna provided an apparent opposing statement just to confuse the media and the public, isn't it? Hard to oppose something when it's so totally unclear just what the hell was said yesterday.

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    Canada for Canadians

  5. Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:00 pm
    Most Canadians support being part of NORAD. NORAD has been upgraded to help with the identification of incoming missiles and thus aid the NMD shield. That would be the reasoning for the mealy mouthed response of Martin.

    Martin knows that the Liberals will be killed in the next election if he signs on to NMD in the bigger sphere - missiles on our soil, our soldiers taking part, spending our money on it, giving technology, and just plain saying we are on board.

    I'm waiting for the Canada haters in the US to start bitching.

  6. Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:46 pm
    How do you know? We never had a referendum on NORAD.

  7. Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:56 pm
    If the media does its job, it will ask the simple question, "Is there even a single Canadian cent going towards anything that can be construed as benefitting the US missle OFFENSE iniatiative?"

  8. by RPW
    Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:08 am
    Shades of meaning.....innuendo......double speak.....

    If Mr. Martin is not going paricipate in BMD, will he ban Canadian companies and US subsidiaries in Canada from selling components and services? I don't think so.......

    So what does "rejection" mean then............?

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    RickW

  9. Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:24 am
    I hate to burst your bubble but Canadian policies really don't matter at all, not even in the slightest, to 99.9% of Americans. Canada really isn't that important to us, or to the rest of the world for that matter. Canadian policy is right up there with Austrian policy as far as its importance to Americans. I know this is probably upsetting to many Canadians but its the truth. Most Americans don't know who your prime minister is, don't know anything at all about Canadian politics, and don't care at all about Canada.

    Concerning Canada's choice not to participate in BMD, big deal. I doubt anybody will really care. This issue was WAY more important to the rabid anti-americans in Canada (oh no we can't do ANYTHING the US does, sovereignty!!) than it ever was to us Americans.

    As far as the 'Canada haters', I actually laughed out loud about that one. Canada haters? Here in America? There might be a dozen or so floating around, probably the same amount of 'Canada haters' exist here in the USA as 'New Zealand haters'. Because Canada is just about as significant as New Zealand to America. We don't ever see Paul Martin on our TV, we never hear much about Canadian Parliament, nothing. It doesn't matter. Unlike the Canadian media which is dominated by stories about the USA, it doesn't work the other way around. Maybe you assumed that because US politics is so important in Canada the reverse was true as well, but this really isn't the case.

  10. Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:37 am
    Aw, don't hurt their feelings. Don't you know all Canadians believe the other countries of the World want to be just like them? Haven't you heard the mantra: "the World needs more of Da Canadian Values!"? (They actually believe it.)

    To Youse Canucks: Don't listen to that mean bad man. You are VERY important to America. All Americans wait with baited breath for Canada's decisions on all national defence policy matters~ <snigger, cough...>

  11. Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:43 am
    Don't pay too much attention to this website as you would be amazed how many Canadians are very supportive of you folks. Your responsibilities in the world are tremendous
    and your facing them is very much appreciated. Plainly put, I thank you for the many.

  12. Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:57 am
    Darvin, nobody was bringing up what the average American thought until you did.

    Your ignorance is incredible. Canada is the resource provider of America. If we so chose, we could bring down America's economy tomorrow. We may take ourselves with it, but that is how dependent your country is on Canada for resources and export.

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    The midget, Bush, and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom loving people everywhere.

    - Mohammed Saeed al-Sahhaf, The Iraqi Informat

  13. Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:38 am
    Maybe we could see our importance a few hours after the energy pipeline is turned off. Do you think that might be worthy of being important? Not that we need validation from a country with citizens who can't even point out on a map where they have illegally invaded and where their fellow citizens are dying for the Bush crime faamily.

  14. Thu Feb 24, 2005 3:55 am
    Why do the above posters come to this site? They are not proud Canadians. Is this a psychological condition?
    The site is called Vive Le canada!



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