Elites Want Canada In On BMD!

Posted on Sunday, February 06 at 21:20 by whelan costen
"A positive Canadian decision would get the issue off the table and end the debate which has unfortunately obscured more than it has enlightened," said an initial draft report from the American Assembly at Columbia University. "Even though Canada does not share the U.S. assessments of external threats to the same degree, it has no alternative but to adjust to U.S. perceptions of what menaces North America," said the draft, which will see a number of revisions. The assembly's report wasn't unanimous. A handful of high-profile Canadians, including former prime minister Joe Clark, expressed reservations about the missile defence plan at the sessions. But a wide spectrum endorsed it after debate sessions during the four-day gathering, where there were few top-level U.S. officials and more Canadians than Americans. The elite assembly on cross-border issues last met two decades ago, when it played a major role in pushing the concept of free trade. Rest of story: http://www.mytelus.com/news/article.do?pageID=canada_home&articleID=1838310 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on February 7, 2005]

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  1. Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:27 am
    This is so incredible, Pamelin Wallin, is quoted as saying most Canadians are for this, where is she getting her stats? The group that pushed us into free trade is behind this, well guess what we didn't get free trade, but we did get something and I think we are in for more of the same...the rich get richer and the poor get nada!

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    If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

  2. Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:31 am
    This was the conference where Jean Charest, that talking head, said they were going to discuss:

    NAFTA+, a common dollar, military integration. All in a day's work for these guys.

    As for Pamela Wallin, she may just be doing as she is told, but people I know can't stand her. She is an American suckup and brags about how she only sleeps 4 hours a night. Wonderful.



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  3. Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:35 am
    As shown before on this site, the Canadian elite is at odds with the people and they willing to pimp us for a pat on the back from the Empire.

  4. Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:54 am
    "A positive Canadian decision would get the issue off the table and end the debate which has unfortunately obscured more than it has enlightened," said an initial draft report from the American Assembly at Columbia University.

    "Even though Canada does not share the U.S. assessments of external threats to the same degree, it has no alternative but to adjust to U.S. perceptions of what menaces North America," said the draft, which will see a number of revisions.



    --Says who.


    "It is by now evident that Canada has lost influence in Washington," said the group, which recommended several smaller initiatives. Among them:

    -A general increase in Canada's defence budget, in part to improve its ability to get to world hotspots quickly.


    (Fight in U.S. wars.)



    -More money for an overwhelmed border with too few lanes, bridges and tunnels.


    (We trade so much with them the border is clogged. Hire more officials.)


    -A public airing of little-known U.S. plans to require biometric identification for all cross-border travellers on Jan. 1, 2008.


    (Remember my thread on Orwell's 1984 coming true. Funny how the date is 2008--they keep pushing it back.)



    -Closer co-operation on product regulations and a mechanism for resolving trade disputes. Those issues are expected to be addressed this spring in a so-called three amigos summit between Canada, the United States and Mexico.


    Closer. :)


    -More direct contact between Canadian officials and the U.S. Congress.

    The assembly rejected the notion that values are widely diverging between the U.S. and Canada, a notion reinforced with the re-election of Bush and an outcry from people in liberal Democratic states who pronounced their similarities with Canadians.


    (Just trust us.)


    " Robert Greenhill, a visiting executive at the International Development Research Centre in Ottawa, said Canadians have been too focused on missile defence as Bush's big project without considering that there is little risk in joining.

    "If you're in a marriage and your partner thinks it's important, why not?"


    (These people are so romantic.)



    Pamela Wallin, Canada's consul general in New York, said she believes most Canadians support signing on, despite polls suggesting otherwise.


    (How is a news anchor our consul general? Oops, stay on topic.)


    "Being at the table is an important way of hearing what the Americans are saying. It's a way of exercising our sovereignty."


    (My question for everyone reading this, is do they feel an obligation to mention sovereignty, or do they actually believe this?)



    The timing of the gathering was important, said Wallin, because Canada-U.S. relations have gone off course.

    "For the Americans, it's all about security and we use sovereignty as our lens on the relationship. Each side doesn't understand why the other side is so obsessed."



    (Security, my ass.)


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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

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  5. Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:59 am
    I wonder who is calling the shots. We even let Celeryhead tell us what to do directly now:


    U.S. wants Canada to create strike force
    Force would need own aircraft, ambassador adds
    ROBERT FIFE and ANNE DAWSON
    CanWest News Service
    OTTAWA
    Printed in the Edmonton Journal, 04 Feb 05

    Canada can “punch above its weight” on the global stage, but it must pour money into intelligence gathering, create a rapid-reaction strike force and buy heavy-lift aircraft to transport elite soldiers to world trouble spots, says U.S. Ambassador Paul Cellucci. With a boost in defence spending expected in the federal budget, Cellucci said Canada’s 55,000-member military needs to be reshaped to battle terrorist threats, confront ethic cleansing and help out in national disasters.

    ...

    Cellucci said Ottawa also needs to purchase strategic airlift for a rapid-reaction force so it does not have to hitch rides with the U.S. air force or rent Russian-made Antonov cargo planes from Ukraine, as the military had to do during the recent tsunami crisis. “Obviously, this would require an increase in defence spending, but I don’t think it would be overwhelming. I think it is something that is achievable in the fairly near term,” he said. “It would mean that Canada would punch above its weight and contribute substantially to international security, where Canadians have a great reputation.”


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    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter --

    Winston Churchill

  6. Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:27 am
    At the risk of being repititous

    Did Canada help Nato test the cruise missile during the 1980's?

    And wasn't that same technology used to fly a couple of (chuckle) airplanes into the WTC?

    Is there not ample evidence that the attack on the WTC was orchestrated by the USA government with the aid of Israel?

    lol

    BMD is a method of taxing Canada to protect Israel. If we don't help them, they blackmail us.

    And since we're being blackmailed, may as well 'give in' and let us develop the technology so that WHEN ISRAEL LAUNCHES THEIR NUKES, THEY ARE THEN PROTECTED BY BMD TECHNOLOGY...

    nice plan

  7. by avatar Dino
    Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:40 am
    People who advocate for a single currency are so stupid. First it will make the separatists have an easier time to break apart the country. Second if we had a common currency with the United States who do you think would be controlling the currency!!!! I like having a loonie and a twoonie! Why on earth would I want american presidents on my money. Jean Charest is working on a common currency for what purpose? He's an idiot along with the Canadian right wingers down south!!

  8. Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:46 am
    From the "American Assembly" website:
    "This is an especially critical moment to examine once again U.S.–Canada relations. Disagreements between Canada and the United States have become highly visible lately, particularly on policy surrounding the Iraq war, through continued disputes on bilateral trade, and with different outlooks on border security and defense spending. One can also point to concern among Americans that Canada might not be secure against terrorists, Canadian animosity towards the American president, a difficult relationship between the President and the former Canadian Prime Minister, and an overall lack of attentiveness to several key institutional arrangements."

    All true, except that most Canadians support staying out of Iraq, are behind the WTO decisions against the U.S. in bilateral trade (they make it sound like its our fault), Canadians far and away supported Chretien in his decision, and not to mention nearly every world leader doesn't care for George Bush. That last part is formulated on the opinions of their populations. Yet in Canada, the majority is ignored by the minority while they claim to represent all of us.

    Start writing letters and let these appeasers of Bush know just how you feel.

    Yes it is the same gang who got Canada free trade. Look at how wonderful a job they did at representing the majority there!

    Showing just how out of touch with mainstream Canada they really are:"The assembly rejected the notion that values are widely diverging between the U.S. and Canada, a notion reinforced with the re-election of Bush and an outcry from people in liberal Democratic states who pronounced their similarities with Canadians." Ah, yes they are. Canadians hate bush and his anti-social, illegal war starting, earth killing antics. 49 million Americans have values similar to our own, but the Bush backers clearly want something no Canadian would ever grant a majority to.

    Wallin proving she too is another sellout of everything Canadian, "Being at the table is an important way of hearing what the Americans are saying. It's a way of exercising our sovereignty." We keep hearing that. We are at the table with them on Softwood lumber and cattle and where has that gotten us? Nowhere thats where! This is such a bullshit reason it only flies with those stupid enough to believe it. A seat at the table gives us influence. Yeh, like a fly on a rim of a plate. He only influences the drink when he takes a crap into it. Bush has shown he doesn't care about the world when he said **** you to the UN and invaded Iraq, what makes these appeasers think they will listen now?

    Screw Bush and these Canadian sellouts. Once again the Canadian elite is going to try to decide for us peasants. Its time for the peasants to revolt. Do I smell revolution in the air? No, probably not, but we are Canadians, we know what to do with sellouts.

    Anyone remember that fellow named Mulroney who thought he knew what was best for us...

  9. Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:55 am
    Sorry Dino, I know Charest mentioned the common currency, but was it actually mentioned in this article?

    (I didn't spot it.)

  10. Mon Feb 07, 2005 8:56 am
    Come on dino. The answer is elitist money and power.<br />
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    <a href="http://www.bilderberg.org">www.bilderberg.org</a> is a good place to start.

  11. by avatar Dino
    Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:12 am
    I read it on the canadian press! sorry but yah he is one who advocating a common currency!

  12. by avatar Dino
    Mon Feb 07, 2005 9:23 am
    They were talking about having a single currency at this conference also. I read it somewhere before i saw this aricle on vive and assumed it was the same one but obviously it was a bit different. But, on missile defense it is truly the stupidest thing ever and if people next election give paul martin a majority were going to be in it because Paul cares more about business then his own people.

  13. Mon Feb 07, 2005 3:10 pm
    Canada should have signed on to missile defence a long time ago. The reality is that we have do defences of our own and want the Americans to provide it while we pretend we're morally superior to them by being impotent. Canadians don't seem to mind at all if we give up our sovereignty to save a few bucks, but we should at least be at the table so we know what's being done for our defence.

    Self-righteous ignorance of military matters and defence may sound nice to Canadians who like to congratulate each other on being inoffensive and ineffectual in making the world more secure, but the reality is that patting ourselves on the head doesn't make the world more secure. Our 'soft power' is a complete joke that will result in many people hating Canadians for their hypocrisy when all we do is make fine speeches and do nothing else for them.

  14. Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:39 pm
    It doesn't work. Shooo.



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