How Britain Denies Its Holocausts

What about the bombing of Dresden, Germany? 150,000 women and children vapourized for what? Come on Winston, tell me you didn't do it....

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"A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

-Robert Frost

That the dam problem, the so called Christian society feel that what they do or have done to other human around the world is some how , ok.

That old bible has a lot of death to answer for.

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Good government is not a party government

Wayne what's up? The new enemy is the Christians? You are playing the same game you are saying you are fighting. All Christians are not the problem, no more than ALL of any group. There are bad people doing bad things all over the world, some use the excuse that God told them, or that the Bible says or another religious book or excuse. On deeper examination you find that is not what these books say, and that their reasons were the same as has been seen history began, and that is greed and the very real selfish, self-serving lust for power. No matter what their religious or political affiliation, the motives are always the same, the excuses may be different. One person, or group of persons wants it all, all the toys, all the power and control over all of the rest, that is the basic problem. No religion, no political party is responsible for the actions of the individuals. Religion cannot act, nor can a political party, it is a thing not a person. Similar to the guns don't kill people, people do.

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Catherine: Religion and party politics has brough about more harm than good, history speaks for its self. I came form for a better lack of a good word, a christian catholic family,where in my family we have one priest and two nuns.

I can remember how I was taught that one needed the church to survive, but I could never figure out why so many children were abused so and why the native community were even abused more so than we little whit kids. But never the lees Catherine I remember the abuse administered by the hand on the nun who used that 18 inch leather strap, and did so , because a kind was left handed.

I can remember the priest who took advantage of my young friend and how that friend lives to vday with the scars of that sexual abuse, done according to that priest because GOD said it had to be done.

I look at political parties much in the same way, both are used to justify the abuse of people. I have chosen to no longer put my trust in the religous belief that the bible is the word of God. I see no good that come out of religion or political parties, both are self serving organizations.

One would think that honesty, ethics and moral might be something we look for and one would think that after all of the corruption in politics and the sins committed in the name of religion, people would wake up.



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Good government is not a party government

Painting people collectively with one brush serves no purpose, judging all by the actions of some serves no purpose. I am opposed to generalizations which serve no purpose. Mother Theresa was a Christian living out Christianity in its fullness and truth. There are plenty of examples of good Christians but most do not seek national attention, they do it quietly, she didn't seek national attention, but she is one person that we are aware of, there are many more that we don't hear about.

Those who use religion as an excuse for their sins or crimes, are simply users, needing something to blame so they don't have to take responsibility for their actions. Same with political parties, the party doesn't commit the act, the person does, and it is the person that needs to be held accountable.

Its time to stop the blame game and start being responsible and holding people accounatable for their actions, not holding out one excuse or another. If you got rid of religion and political parties you would not rid the world of corruption, greed or war. There are plenty of examples of horrific things done to innocent people without religion or politics being involved.

Let's talk about real solutions instead of constantly looking at something to blame.

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Here is some interesting about " Mother" Theresa

Mother Teresa as we know her now was the myth created in 1969 by Malcolm Muggeridge:

• Was opposed to birth control

• Said she wanted to open a 'special jail' for doctors who performed abortions (what would happen in these 'special jails', only she would know)

• Endorsed Sanjay Gandhi's pogrom of forced sterilisation of the poor (slumdwellers, including those who never married)

• ignored numerous other human rights abuses, sudden disappearances, perpetrated by Sanjay Gandhi and his goons

• Tried to stop the abortions by women victimised by Pakistani soldiers in Bangladesh

• Advised a 14-year old rape victim to keep the baby

• "I say, forgive" - uttered to the Bhopal gas tragedy survivors

• her organisation did only token work during disasters
while ignoring major catastrophes like Latur earthquake, Uttarkashi earthquake

• Accepted the Legion d'Honneur from Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier, the worst dictator of Haiti

• Went to Albania to pay respects to Enver Hoxha, cunning, ruthless and fanatical, and one of the most repressive rulers of the 20th century

• Accepted more than a million US dollars from Charles Keating who caused more than 21 000 old investors to lose their life savings worth US$ 285 million; a conservative catholic.

• Accepted money worth hundreds of millions of pounds from Robert Maxwell who embezzled it from his employees' pension funds; an orthodox jew

• Refused to return these money when requested back by the authorities

• has hundreds of millions of US Dollars parked in banks worldwide, collected in the name of charity but not used for it

• Still appealed for charities when the money collected is not being used

• Created "Houses of the Dying", not hospitals or clinics as widely believed, where poor people and lepers could go to die (was that her way of saying, ‘go to hell’?)

• Was exorcised while hospitalised in a wealthy hospital in Calcutta

• Quoted as wishing to finish her life in a "House of the Dying" like the poor people attended to by her organisation
Actually died in her luxurious bedroom surrounded by modern cardiac machinery

• The 'exemplary, un-paralleled charity work' by her MoC; a myth, propagated by herself; seemed to have ended with her death.

One of Britain's military historians, David Irving, only today has
stopped denying the Jewish Holocaust, after many years of
proclaiming that Hitler had no part in the "Final Solution," and that
it was all greatly exaggerated.

I've heard another acclaimed historian, Martin Gilbert,
acknowledge Irving as a fine historian who "went wrong" at a
certain point in his life. True enough, but what a lot of harm Irving
did to the history of Jews, homosexuals, Gypsies, and all whose
lives were destroyed by authority of the German state.

Now, Irving says, he has had the opportunity to read certain other
historic papers documenting the names and numbers of the
victims exterminated in the Nazi concentration camps. He now
admits he was mistaken. And that the Holocaust did occur, taking
the lives of approx. 6 million innocent men, women, and children.

How on earth can we rationalize these things?

Good post Catherine.
ALL organized religion is a way to control people.ALL countries have engaged in murder and genocide in their past at some point,some continue today.
BUT.By looking for someone to blame,or putting the blame on someone,the RESPONSIBILITY of getting involved to help solve problems is REMOVED.The public blames the pols for everything,yet who do they vote for?Stockwell Day,Harper,or they don't vote at all.Then they bitch that everything is wrong.Had they voted for CAP,Green,DD,Independent,the loonie bunch in there now would be on the street.We could be solving problems.The sad reality is people don't want to have any say in government.That means being responsible.Something the average citizen does not want to do.Better to go shopping.
How sad.

Thanks Spud, we could all do well to look to ourselves for change and stop pointing fingers. We will never have change as long as when I say I believe something is white and someone else says well I believe it is black and then an argument ensues, over a belief...Taking responsibility for our actions and not accepting lame excuses for someone elses actions or blaming someone or something will be a great first step towards real solutions.

I am thinking of the Emerson situation, the people are outraged and he says 'ya but the system is flawed and we will change it for next time, or well I am not the sharpest political knife in the drawer...gosh, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.'

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Spud: You say" RESPONSIBILITY of getting involved to help solve problems is REMOVED" . Well if thise were true then things would and should be a hell of a lot better after all these religious groups, political parties have been around for a hell of a long time, so when are we going to start to see results.

Here we have a new Prime Ministers and a religious one at that and what did he do right out of the gate? Well he lied and then he went against this thing we are led to believe in called democracy and the democratic right of the people.
He requested David Emerson go against the will of those Liberal , party believers to cross the floor and he appointed a Quebec not elected lawyer to be the head of Public Works and he sent him to the Senate.
Is this how as you say Catherine "Taking responsibility for our actions and not accepting lame excuses for someone elses actions or blaming someone or something will be a great first step towards real solutions."?

Who is listening to the will of the people? No one! Who cares ? No one . Political parties and the legal community have but almost destroyed the democratic process and those who belong to these parties at the grass roots level are to weak to correct and clean out their own parties.WHY? When will you guys instead of talking about it..do it?

This is why I and many people have decided to get away from political parties, they are controlled by money and power, they will never change.

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Good government is not a party government

Looks like this nazi Holocaust denial doesn't go away. Nobody denied it until 10 years after the war. The original estimate was 16 million, of which 6 million were Jews.

The worst part was how the nazis used huge manpower and energy to kill more and more till the last minute, when everything was collapsing around their necks. When we were dug in on the dike of the Bober, now Bobr river in Silezia, now in Poland, defending the bridge of the Breslau, now Wroclav - Berlin autobahn, waiting for the Russians to arrive, we saw long columns in the distance, in the nights, marching West. We thought they were refugees.

I found out not too many years ago, that they were KZ camp inmates being taken into Germany. I woman wrote to me about her uncle who was one of them, marching right across Sudetenland and way down to Austria, to the Ebensee KZ camp, where he died.

By coincidence, we followed their footsteps and the end of the war caught us in that neighbourhood. We saw the inmates as they were spreading over the countryside, as the gates of the camp were opened. 2-3 days later, when I was taken to a German military hospital with my badly infected ankle, and was in the delousing bath, US trucks were bringing the Ebensee inmates who couldn't walk, to all the neighbouring hospitals. =The country was full of them in every hotel and school, also for delousing and baths.

I'll never forget the sight. I only weighed 47 kg. but the way those victims looked was horrible. I only wish the deniers could have seen them. And Ebensee wasn't a death, but a working camp, digging vast caves in the mountainside, to build the V3 and V4 rockets the nazis hoped could hit America.

Ed Deak, Big Lake. BC.

To think Hitler was a baptized roman catholic and was never ex-communicated from the church, even when he committed the sin of suicide, he was never condemned by the church. Funny how religion works isn't it ?


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Good government is not a party government

Here are some truths for you Coady,

You have become a whiney annoyance off on the sidelines offering little else but offence.

You have been asked repeatedly, “What have YOU got?”

Your logic is non existent, as can be seen by your replies, so rather than solution you rely on repetition and have now included only more of all you have: attack


The following paragraph is particularly telling, Coady …

“Who is listening to the will of the people? No one! Who cares ? No one . Political parties and the legal community have but almost destroyed the democratic process and those who belong to these parties at the grass roots level are to weak to correct and clean out their own parties.WHY? When will you guys instead of talking about it..do it?”

What will?
Which people?
By answering your own questions you have further offended those who are working.

Where are “YOUR” solutions?



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People are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's safer to harass rich women than motorcycle gangs.
Alexei Sayle

Diogenes: More to the point "Where are Your solutions" ?

My solution, is not to support the party system.. you disagree. I say cut off their funding.. you disagree... I say stop working for political parties..you disagree.
I say revisit the political structure and look at things like PR.. you disagree. Look at re-call...you disagree. I say we should work towards a consensus style political system... you disagee. I say elect judges..you disagree.

Now that I have for the 100th time put forth my solutions, WHAT ARE YOURS ?

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Good government is not a party government