'Timing Is Right' For Public-Private Infrastructure Partnerships: Dodge

Posted on Sunday, December 04 at 15:28 by FootPrints
The most familiar Canadian public-private partnerships are the Confederation Bridge to Prince Edward Island and the - now privatized - Highway 407 toll road north of Toronto. But Canada still has few so-called PPP projects, and big investors such as pension funds have bemoaned the necessity to go abroad to find such developments, which promise stable long-term financial returns. Dodge noted that "when infrastructure projects are solely publicly funded, the usual incentives to build and operate efficiently - the incentives to avoid bankruptcy and make a profit - are not the driving motive behind the investment." And the government deficits of the early 1990s left "a decade or more than a decade of underinvestment which we now have to make up," he said. "Financing through markets provides a mechanism by which we can better assess the economic merits of an investment, and hence use our scarce infrastructure dollars more wisely." The thorniest problem is proper pricing of public infrastructure projects that have a profit motive, Dodge said. "A lack of pricing that appropriately reflects demand and supply conditions may be one reason why there have been relatively few PPP infrastructure projects in Canada." http://www.moneysense.ca/news/headline_news/shownews.jsp?content=b112847A&page=1 [Proofreader's note: this article was edited for spelling and typos on December 5, 2005]

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  1. Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:16 am
    Duh geez, really, 'proper pricing' still has to be worked out? Hmmm, let's see, how much is a human life worth? This, as, usual, is the utter balderdash from public officials to further indoctrinate the masses. Anybody that thinks PPP haven't been the route of choice for over a decade simply doesn't know what's going on. Are we to think that our, what's that position called? Damn, I forget, well, is he REALLY so dumb that he doesn't know what a 'tender bid' is? Are we to think that he is so absolutely mentally challenged that he thinks street repairs are done by a government department??

    What this is obviously meant to distract from, with shades of US 'up is down' rhetoric, is that Canada has been awash in PPP for over a decade, and if anything they need to be STOPPED. I put up the link here before about the gun registry and the fact that government contracted out the work to Ross Perot's computer computer and it bilked us for BILLIONS. There are such HUGE implications of PPP's, from environment, to access to information, to the dismissive 'putting a price tag' on the work.

    This has been going on for over a decade, and this kind of talk is meant clearly to open up what's left of Canada's government and pull the wool over the eyes of Canadians who simply don't know any better because media never talks about it.

  2. Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:41 am
    Well let me se: My sister just came back from New Mexico where she was a nurse. During her time there she has an eye operation, here is how it broke down.

    Two hours for a hospital bed , $23, 000 + $7, 000 for the surgeon plus medication+ extra for bandage. All covered by the American Private Health Plan

    Four months later , they detected cancen on her nose.. the clinic she went to the bed cost $4000, 00 , I am not sure how much her surgeon, but I will check.

    A young girl had a baby and Jessie told me that before she could get he baby out of the hospital, her parents had to come up with $500.00 .

    She then told she question a red colour tag on a patients chart , she was told that the patients insurance provider was only covering him for 10 days, then the hospital had to release him.

    LISTEN UP DO WE REALLY WANT THIS KIND OF PRIVATE / PUBLIC CARE HERE IN CANADA? FOR CHRISTS SAKES DO YOUR HOME WORK, BEFORE YOU GET IN BED WITH A SNAKE!!!

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    Good government is not a party government

  3. Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:02 am
    People like David Dodge are only interested in the economic elite and giving them control over every aspect of our lives from birth to making decisions about our death. He cares only for profit not people He is also a close friend and advisor of Paul Martin and was appointed to his position by Martin.

    One has to wonder how different the secret Liberal agenda is from that of the Conservatives. If Martin gets a majoriy he will try to push this agenda.

  4. Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:05 am
    Health care has been cut and dowmloaded onto the provinces in Canada, thanks to the debt-based money system the banks have us in--a death grip basically: see <a href="http://www.comer.org">www.comer.org</a> for the solution.<br />
    <br />
    Also, with 250,000 immigrants/refugees coming to Canada a year, only 27% being workers, the rest retired dependents, WE CANADIANS pay for the FREE health care, welfare, housing allowances and so forth of these immigrants who come here annually and stay, not to be Canadian but to get a free lunch.<br />
    <br />
    This all said, public-private partnerships is more corporate slavery when it extends to things such as highways and schools--that is U.S. territory--NO THANKS!!!<br />
    <br />
    In this era, P-3s are understandable in areas such as power plants, but NOT SCHOOLS!!!<br />
    <br />
    David Dodge is working for the nationalized in 1938 Bank of Canada, but the fact the bank is publicly owned doesn't stop the private bankers from dictating to Dodge and our politicians what to do.<br />
    <br />
    Banking is just one field where they have tried to eliminate nation states by drowning them in completely unnecessary, private debt. We must get out of this.<br />
    <br />
    <a href="http://www.bankofcanada.ca">www.bankofcanada.ca</a> for more info on the Bank of Canada, which has been used to pay the banks and other rich oligarchs at the expense of ordinary Canadians. On paper however, thankfully it is still publically owned as Mulroney never did privatize it. It doesn't prevent the governor from being influenced by polticians and business at the expense of average Canadians, but it does at least mean they are SUPPOSED to do what is in the "best interests of the nation".<br />
    <br />
    The U.S. federal reserve is a swindle and is completely controlled by a cartel of private banks--not the public at all.<br />

  5. by avatar samuel
    Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:18 am
    Everywhere, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, that Public/Private Partnerships were applied they end up costing taxpayers more money for less quality AND reduced accessibilty to services by means of access fees. In some cases such as Walkerton, the outcome was DISASTROUS and in cases such as the Moncton-Fredericton highway which should of cost 580 million ended up costing 2 BILLION. At Hamiltion, their water treatment contractor dumped what amounts to the worse environmental dumping of suage in Lake Ontario's entire history combined. The Liberal Sponsorship Scandal was yet another fine example of PPP gone mad.

    The ultra right wing Jean Charest who is trying to destroy Québec and 60 years of social progress for the Federal cause has actually created a Ministry of PPP. But his public hanging should be a warning to all politicians about messing with citizen's most cherished social posessions.

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    Québec needs out of Canada yesterday. Support the cause by voting Liberal

  6. Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:28 am
    Listen: If we want to maintain our public health care system then that is up to us and not some useless self-serving political party.

    As long as we continue to buy into this present party system we will forever be screwed.
    Canadians who continue to listen to and buy into the lies of the LIBERAL, CONSERVATIVE and NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTIES are the problem. It all about change stupid real down to earth change... do not support the old line parties and maybe , just maybe they will get the message that we are not buying into their old bullshit tricks any longer.

    Vote for change.... vote to correct the wrong that has been done... vote for humanity ... vote for accountability ....vote for love of country and its citizens, but do not vote because some asshole wants to buy you off with your own dam tax dollar.

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    Good government is not a party government

  7. Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:45 am
    I still say Samuel that Charest is merely a puppet of elites.

    People in Quebec need to have kids if they want to survive as Lucien Bouchad has recommended and not spend too much time worrying about social programs. You can't rely on corrupt governments to save you. Canadian provinces are in debt--it is not all Charest's fault.

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    "A Liberal is someone who refuses to take his own side in a fight".

    -Robert Frost

  8. Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:54 am
    Yes Charest IS a puppet of elites, FEDERAL elites who feel they've lost control of Québec and who are hell bent on re-engineering it. Charest has an 85% disapproval rating, I think that's a Canadian record although I'm not sure about Kim Campbell. In any case, Quebecers will take care of his sorry ass at the polls.

  9. Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:10 am
    Samuel, where did you get the figure for the New Brunswick highway?

  10. Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:27 am
    PPP stands for "Plundering the Public Purse"

    Hundreds of examples and precedents all over the world. Mr. Dodge is looking for a string of directorships when he's finished at the Bank, as do many politicians.

    Ed Deak.

  11. Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:55 am
    Sorry Marcarc, I picked up that figure in political circles but can't remember where or what it was referenced in.

    Ed Deak, there is no nead to look at examples throughout the world. There's plenty of this shit going on right here, right now and the perpetrators have been RE_ELECTED over and over and over.

    Samuel

  12. Mon Dec 05, 2005 3:46 am
    For as long as I have been following this particular site the most of what is offered regarding politics only sees or speaks to what is held before us.<br />
    <br />
    I finally for an online version of a book from 1971/2 <br />
    <br />
    It should be requires reading for all those whoclaimto champion democracy<br />
    <br />
    here are some samples;<br />
    <br />
    INTRODUCTION<br />
    The story you are about to read is true. The names have not been changed to protect the guilty. This book may have the effect of changing your life. After reading this book, you will never look at national and world events in the same way again.<br />
    None Dare Call It Conspiracy will be a very controversial book. At first it will receive little publicity and those whose plans are exposed in it will try to kill it by the silent treatment. For reasons that become obvious as you read this book, it will not be reviewed in all the "proper" places or be available on your local bookstand. However, there is nothing these people can do to stop a grass roots book distributing system. Eventually it will be necessary for the people and organizations named in this book to try to blunt its effect by attacking it or the author. They have a tremendous vested interest in keeping you from discovering what they are doing. And they have the big guns of the mass media at their disposal to fire the barrages at None Dare Call It Conspiracy.<br />
    1. DON'T CONFUSE ME WITH FACTS<br />
    Most of us have had the experience, either as parents or youngsters, of trying to discover the "hidden picture' within another picture in a children's magazine. Usually you are shown a landscape with trees, bushes, flowers and other bits of nature. The caption reads something like this: "Concealed somewhere in this picture is a donkey pulling a cart with a boy in it. Can you find them?" Try as you might, usually you could not find the hidden picture until you turned to a page farther back in the magazine which would reveal how cleverly the artist had hidden it from us. If we study the landscape we realize that the whole picture was painted in such a way as to conceal the real picture within, and once we see the "real picture," it stands out like the proverbial painful digit.<br />
    We believe the picture painters of the mass media are artfully creating landscapes for us which deliberately hide the real picture. In this book we will show you how to discover the "hidden picture" in the landscapes presented to us daily through newspapers, radio and. television. Once you can see through the camouflage, you will see the donkey, the cart and the boy who have been there all along.<br />
    FDR once said "In politics, nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way." He was in a good position to know.<br />
    … For example, there is Professor Carroll Quigley of the Foreign Service School at Georgetown University. Professor Quigley can hardly be accused of being a "right wing extremist." (Those three words have been made inseparable by the mass media.) Dr. Quigley has all the "liberal" credentials, having taught<br />
    at the Liberal Establishment's academic Meccas of Princeton and Harvard. In his 1300-page, 8 pound tome Tragedy and Hope, Dr. Quigley reveals the existence of the conspiratorial network which will be discussed in this book. The Professor is not merely formulating a theory, but revealing this network's existence from firsthand experience. He also makes it clear that it is only the network's secrecy and not their goals to which he objects. Professor Quigley discloses:<br />
    "I know of the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960's, to examine its papers and secret records. I HAVE NO AVERSION TO IT OR TO MOST OF ITS AIMS AND HAVE, FOR MUCH OF MY LIFE, BEEN CLOSE TO IT AND TO MANY OF ITS INSTRUMENTS. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies … but in general my chief difference of opinion is that IT WISHES TO REMAIN UNKNOWN, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known." (Emphasis added by author) [and Jesse, take note! Uppercase is widely known as emphasis]<br />
    <br />
    We agree, its role in history does deserve to be known. That is why we have written this book. However, we most emphatically disagree with this network's aim which the Professor describes as "nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole." In other words, this power mad clique wants to control and rule the world. Even more frightening, they want total control over all individual actions. As Professor Quigley observes: "… his [the individual's] freedom and choice will be controlled within very narrow alternatives by the fact that he will be numbered from birth and followed, as a number, through his educational training, his required military or other public service, his tax contributions, his health and medical requirements, and his final retirement and death benefits." It wants control over all natural resources, business, banking and transportation by controlling the governments of the world. In order to accomplish these aims the conspirators have had no qualms about fomenting wars, depressions and hatred. They want a monopoly which would eliminate all competitors and destroy the free' enterprise system. And Professor' Quigley, of Harvard, Princeton and Georgetown approves!<br />
    So fugedabowed the puppets <br />
    Pay attention to the puppeteers !<br />
    <a href="http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html#introduction">http://reactor-core.org/none-dare.html#introduction</a><br />
    <br />
    <br />
    <p>---<br>Your mantra has been your opinions are stifled due to their contrary nature, when they are actually stifled for being without perceivable foundation

  13. Mon Dec 05, 2005 5:21 am
    Folks, what we are failing to identify are the
    following chrono-steps.

    1) The NDP invented national/socialized public health
    care

    2) It was functioning quite well for decades.

    3) Profit-driven, right-wing-leaning, cutting/slashing
    dismantling Conservatives and Liberals negligently
    fractured it... they BROKE it, and therefore aquired
    the obligation to FIX it.

    4) With the waffling, meandering, corporate Martin
    cronies in power, the SAID they'd fix it,
    pretended to fix it, but FAILED to fix it.
    I call it the imaginary repair job.All words,
    deception and evasion.


    It's about time to clean out the dinosaur
    crap (CONS & LIBS) and bring in some new
    blood... NDP, Greens, CAP, Independants
    ... if you care about what Canada actually
    stands for.

    Under the system that worked quite well
    for decades (before the ruthless cut/slash/smash
    campaign), the wealthy were never prvented
    from dipping into their $500,000 'secondary'
    account, and going south of the border
    for a private gouging.

  14. Mon Dec 05, 2005 6:45 am
    I think the zionist neo-cons are morepoweful than the WASPISh characters described in Quigley's book.

    This all said, Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope is very worthwhile, though poorly cited. It was a revelation in 1966, and was banned, plates destroyed, but put back in libraries to stop arousing suspicion.

    Gary Allen's book is interesting, though less focused.



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