Were They Police Or Police Agents?

Posted on Thursday, August 23 at 09:33 by siljan
So, let's call that bit of circumstantial evidence the first reason to suggest there was a relationship between the uniformed police and the rock-wielding protesters. The second thing that shows, from the video, can be broken into several parts, but we'll deal with two first. When a member of an organization, (and I'll go to my own armed service experience here), is in a threatening situation and knows where the protection of his/her own organization is located, that is always the direction in which that person will move. It's a natural reaction. Even in the services where some people receive extensive training in "escape and evasion", the overriding factor is to safely find a way to get back to your own lines. There is no safety in putting more distance between yourself and the protection of your own kind. From the time David Owens fingered the three as "cops", they started to move, not away from the Surete police line, but towards it. If the three had been legitimate protesters, being labeled a "cop" should have caused them to withdraw in the other direction - towards wherever their compatriots were gathered. And there would have been compatriots somewhere, even if it was people they had met only a short time before the protest started. These three protesters, carrying rocks, with faces masked, moved in the wrong direction. More at: http://thegallopingbeaver.blogspot.com/search/label/montebello

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  1. Thu Aug 23, 2007 4:39 pm
    Again, this is not our government and this is not our police. We're on our own.

  2. Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:09 pm
    One would think that it should be *very* simple to answer the question. The three clowns were afterall at some moment in the custody of police, they should therefore not have disappeared from this planet, hence their ids are known. No inquiry commission is needed to answer the simple question. <br />
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    But if they are covering this up playing the usual internal blame game at this point, yep an other inquiry commission would be needed. Who benefits from this once again? Sick.<br />
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    See Vonnegut "Custodian of chaos" <a href="http://informationclearinghouse.info/article13659.htm">http://informationclearinghouse.info/article13659.htm</a><br />
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    That is my only answer at this point for this ongoing nonsense.<p>---<br>"We are all in this together somehow, some more than others somehow"

  3. Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:36 pm
    Here's a comment made by a person who says he's a former police officer. <br><br> Editor: I hope it's OK to post other people's comments in full. <br><br> <a href="http://www.dustmybroom.com/?p=7437#comment-99459">Mike on August 22nd, 2007 7:42 pm</a> <br><br> Watch the way the three ‘protesters’ stand. It is called the I stance or bracketing and is taught to police officers from day one as a way to minimise your bodies exposure to a threat. Agressive/squared off stances are what the riot officers are doing to intimidate.Defensive posturing is what the Provocateur’s are doing.They can’t help it. They are reading the crowd and smartly, trying to desingage. <br><br> Watch their left hands. They tend to stay close to their bodies center line. On most Sam brown belts that police wear, the OC spray, cuffs, etc are worn towards the center as well as for protection against threats.Their right hands stay further away, to their side to protect where their firearm would be if they were in their normal uniform that they wear 8-10 hours a day, everyday.(1/2 of all police deaths are from their own weapon. Retention is highly stressed in all forms of law enforcement training). They have muscle memory of where things ’should’ be when working. <br><br> Watch the ‘protestor’ on the right. When one of the real organisers gets too close, he grabs the organizer, deliberetly, by the wrist. This is an open handed control technique taught in the earliest days of academy training. It doesn’t get you caught up in the suspects grip while providing an easy way to index the placement of handcuffs. <br><br> All of these are taught and taught and taught some more so that they become second nature and one does not have to think about it in the heat of the moment. Having left law enforcement a decade ago, I till catch myself moving, standing and ‘looking’ at people the same way I was taught. <br><br> Going ‘plain’ cloths does not change the person wearing them.I don’t like bad cops since it made things difficult for us good ones.A good cop would have laid low and been a good witness instead of becoming the story.

  4. Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:34 pm
    "Again, this is not our government and this is not our police. We're on our own."
    A valuable insight that cannot be lost!
    FROM ALL THAT I'VE READ WE WERE ALAYS ON OUR OWN!!
    (Uppercase for emphasis only)


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    "When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do."

    William Blake



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