Europe Growing Uneasy Over Alliance With US

Well since they were 'brow beaten' into giving support in the first place, it isn't surprising that they are now nervous of the public's perception of events as they unfold. Canada should not be encouraging further closeness with a nation that is going down internationally because of it's unilateral decision. Martin is in shipping, doesn't he understand that the captain goes down with the ship, why would he want to get on a ship that is clearly going down, unless he wants to take over the position of captain and be sacrificed...which I just can't see, but they are like family after all....

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If I stand for my country today...will my country be here to stand for me tomorrow?

Europeans are too weak and incompetent to take care of conflict in their own backyard, of course they're uneasy when they see other nations with the guts to try and make the world a better place.

WE should be uneasy about this, never mind the rest of the world. Even our own Maj. General Lewis Mackenzie (Ret'd) is all for closer ties with the US, economically and militarily. I guess that's no surpise, he is fully aware of our inability to defend ourselves these days.

So how does the US make the world a better place ? through the WTO and World Bank, they have bankrupted several countries, and their trade policies only make the world more beholden to them.

In whose best interest is this ?

Mine ? I don't think so.

I wish we could manage our own affairs and increase trade east and west in Canada, and export what we can to other markets. Why the insistence on exports ? It hurts the import business, the low dollar and so on, so let's not be protectionist but trade wisely.

One more thing: why do we ship live cattle to the US, when we could increase employment in Canada if we did the processing and then ship the finished product.

More jobs and profit for Canadians.





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"Arrogance in Politics is unacceptable"
Jim Callaghan
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Make the world a better place? Some americans do - yes indeed - but that does not extend to the US government. The US government is responsible for more deaths the world over than Hitler and Stalin combined. No nation has overthrown more DEMOCRATICALLY elected governments than the US government. No nation sells more weapons than the US so others can kill kill kill so they can profit profit profit.

Chew on that for awhile and come back here and tell us why the rest of the world should back them even one second longer.

You are obviously completely ignorant of history and insult the memories of the millions of people who were slaughtered by Stalin and Hitler. Ignorance is not a crime or moral failing in itself, but wilful ignorance or 'spin doctoring' to support a poor argument is morally bankrupt. How do you look yourself in the mirror?

Just to be the third or fourth anonymous:

Look at the facts and history, the US is practicing imperialism more now than ever before. At the same time it is failing itself and the world.

Yes, look at the facts and history. Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union - all attempts at empire building. Comparing the U.S. today with any of those entities is just plain ignorant. Surely people can't honestly be that stupid to think the U.S. is in the same league? Just for the stupid people out there though, let's list a few things that differentiate - hundreds of media outlets plus the freedom of the internet, elections, a judiciary that sometimes goes against the gov't of the day, headquarters of organizations such as the UN, Amnesty International, Aid agencies of every kind, etc. etc. Surely there aren't people so wilfully ignorant that they would ignore these things in their self-righteous fury at other people's opinions or elected political power?

<blockquote>headquarters of organizations such as the UN, Amnesty International, Aid agencies of every kind, etc. etc. Surely there aren't people so wilfully ignorant that they would ignore these things in their self-righteous fury at other people's opinions or elected political power? </blockquote> <p> You seem ot be missing the point that the internet, free speech, the UN, and international organisations are things that the current US government is <b>opposed to</b> because they limit US hegemony. Here's some articles demonstrating this: <a href=""></a><br> <a href="http://www.adn.com/24hour/world/story/1243720p-8295362c.html">U.S.-led coalition shuts down weekly Iraqi newspaper</a><br> <a href="http://www.clw.org/control/bushunilateral.html">U.S. Foreign Policy Turns Unilateralist: "No" to Treaties</a><br> <a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1028-1019952.html">Supreme Court backs library Net filters</a><br> <a href="http://www.ala.org/ala/washoff/WOissues/civilliberties/washcipa/cipa.htm">Children's internet protection act</a><br> <a href="http://www.peacefire.org/amnesty-intercepted/">Amnesty International blocked by filters</a><br> <a href="http://www.wisinfo.com/postcrescent/news/archive/local_16101290.shtml">Man fights citation for sign against Bush</a><br>. </p><p>---<br>Jesse <br />

Anon I don't believe anyone said you were stupid, right?. And I don't think anyone here would say your stupid. Yet you come here and call anyone who isn't in agreement with your viewpoint as stupid.

IMO The only people who attack an individual when disagreeing are people who don't have much to go on to support their own point of view. So in summary what you have to say has no merit cause all your really doing is trying to win an argument by attacking individuals who don't support your point of view.

I bet many people who disagree with you have more respect for you and won't consider your stupid. Maybe you should learn about having respect for people who don't share your point of view.

Kevin

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"Love actually, is all around us" --From the movie Love Actually.

Viewpoint? The Holocaust, the Rape of Nanking, the Gulag are all very well documented events - if you consider these events just a viewpoint then you're throwing your hat in the ring with Ernst Zundel, other holocaust deniers or apologists for atrocities. Unless of course you believe that there are concentration camps in the U.S. were millions of people are being systematically murdered at this very moment. History can be seen in many different ways insofar as its impact on us today, but the general facts of these events are widely accepted because there are pictures, documents, archeological evidence and millions of people still around who lived through these events. Eluding the point by claiming 'personal attacks' or whatever is a disingenuous form of argument. Wilful ignorance is stupidity.

No one is saying that the US is taking the Nazi's play book, filing off the serial numbers and moving it across state lines, the point everyone is trying to make, you make so eloquently <i>"History can be seen in many different ways insofar as its impact on us today"</i> See my .sig for a paralell.<p> All anyone here wants to do is draw light to certain similarities between Nazi Germany (Burning of the Reichstag -> 2001/09/11) WWII (internment of Japanese & Russian Gulags -> Guantanamo Bay) and even secret trials (Star Chamber) that are happening in the US right now. Perhaps we're way off base with the intentions of some US leaders, but one thing is for certain, the US is being Imperialistic. Since it's inception, it's toppled more democratically elected governments than Communism or Facism ever did.<p> Furthermore because someone shares a different viewpoint than yours is not 'willful ignorance'. They think you're dead wrong. Plain and simple. Not giving them the benefit of their own opinion does a disservice to all of us.<p><p>---<br>"History does not repeat itself, but it does rhyme" Mark Twain <br />
"The greatest price of not participating in politics is being governed by your inferiors." Plato

The question of whether the total number of innocent lives destroyed by America is greater than that of the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany is an empirical one. That is, it is capable verification or disproof. The endemic lack of interest of Americans in the heinous crimes committed by their own government in far-off countries, and the cowardice and lies of a corporate-controlled media in America have produced a population mostly unaware of the actual facts of this issue.

Numbers are hard to come by - America is probably even better at covering up its crimes than Stalin was, a "free press" notwithstanding. Forty innocent Iraqi civilians at a wedding party killed by US forces today; 3000 innocent civilians massacred in Panama to capture Noriega and test new American weapons systems; 50,000 Iraqi children killed by UN sanctions, largely an American idea; tens of thousands killed in Rawanda because the US opposed UN intervention; I think when all the totals are added up, it is very likely that America has in fact been responsible for the deaths of more innocents than Stalin and Hitler combined. And as for destroying democracies, nobody's better at it than old Uncle Sam. America is a wonderful country which has also done much good in the world, but a slowly growing cancer in that nation, call it the military-industrial complex, call it free-enterprise, call it good old-fashioned fascism - has almost succeeded in turning America from a nation into a disease that threatens all of humanity. The really courageous and moral Americans are those who perceive the truth of this situation and are doing what they can to reverse the moral degeneration of America and its transformation into a totalitarian empire.

Brett Mann

Anon I was just responding mostly to the way you were calling people stupid simply cause they shared similarities between Nazi's and Bush/U.S which they observed. Can't you argue your point with them without calling them stupid?

Maybe you don't see the same similarities, but its no reason to call them stupid. Your the one doing the name calling. Try making a point without getting all revved up to the point of being rude to people on a public forum.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying your wrong or right. It just doesn't seem right to call someone stupid.

My suggestion is to simply argue the issue or topic.

Kevin



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"Love actually, is all around us" --From the movie Love Actually.

Well said Brett.

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"Love actually, is all around us" --From the movie Love Actually.